[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It's a legal requirement if it's a stipulation of the new hire. Again, many organizations have done it in the past.

I am not saying you can't write in a contract but good luck proving anything if Tre got hired and then scooped Flames prospect targets. Put nothing in writing and there is no recourse. I think you are looking for a reason to be mad at the organization on this one.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

We can pretend like this is what good and respected organizations do, for sure.

How often do GM’s basically quit on their organization? What happened with Treliving was rare but I am not sure why this is even remotely embarrassing for the Flames?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I am not saying you can't write in a contract but good luck proving anything if Tre got hired and then scooped Flames prospect targets. Put nothing in writing and there is no recourse. I think you are looking for a reason to be mad at the organization on this one.

I think many posters are often looking for ways to absolve this organization of blame so I guess we'll just disagree.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

We can pretend like this is what good and respected organizations do, for sure.

The organization itself is calling it a mutual agreement.

Yes, mutually agreed his contract will not be renewed...even though it was his choice.

They never agreed to terminate the existing one.

Beyond all that however, it is speculated that BT is pretty burned out and will be taking a year away from hockey management all together. IE; not interested in interviewing at this time for what has been offered. Im guessing there may be 1 specific job he would consider and accept if available and offered.

Maybe Seravelli should look into that aspect of his own enquiry.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think many posters are often looking for ways to absolve this organization of blame so I guess we'll just disagree.

I think Murray is a crappy owner and there are issues but this isn't one of those times.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Being a fan doesn't mean you blindly support your favourite team's poor decision making.

Just as a parent would hope the best for a child, I hope the best for the Flames so I can see the team achieve something worthwhile.

I agree, but you seem to take every minor perceived indiscretion as the most egregious action imaginable, and seem to take little joy in anything good.

It just seems painful to me, that's all.

This is contract law, plain and simple. Teams often permit someone to take a new job after being terminated, after being asked, but with conditions.
Requiring him to wait until July 1 (the end of his term) to start is a very reasonable condition in this instance.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yes, mutually agreed his contract will not be renewed...even though it was his choice.

They never agreed to terminate the existing one.

Beyond all that however, it is speculated that BT is pretty burned out and will be taking a year away from hockey management all together. IE; not interested in interviewing at this time for what has been offered. Im guessing there may be 1 specific job he would consider and accept if available and offered.

Maybe Seravelli should look into that aspect of his own enquiry.

Yup. We don't know about the year, but it was discussed openly that he is burned out. However, we have some fans finding it 'embarrassing' that he hasn't interviewed for other jobs, within a couple weeks of walking away from (and still being paid for) the one he is burned out from.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I agree, but you seem to take every minor perceived indiscretion as the most egregious action imaginable, and seem to take little joy in anything good.

It just seems painful to me, that's all.

This is contract law, plain and simple. Teams often permit someone to take a new job after being terminated, after being asked, but with conditions.
Requiring him to wait until July 1 (the end of his term) to start is a very reasonable condition in this instance.

It's not just contract law, plain and simple. The Flames can easily grant Treliving the ability to seek new employment, as is most often the case in the NHL.

What the Flames are doing here is petty and potentially limits the opportunities available to him if many positions have been filled before July 1.

If you guys want to hand wave this away and justify it as standard procedure, go for it. I'm simply embarrassed and hope my favorite team acts better going forward. I'll leave my opinion at that.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think many posters are often looking for ways to absolve this organization of blame so I guess we'll just disagree.

Conversely, you seem to describe the organization as embarrassing, and a joke, on an almost weekly basis.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think many posters are often looking for ways to absolve this organization of blame so I guess we'll just disagree.

I dunno
I'm always required to abide by the terms of my contracts whether its non-disclosure/non-compete or what not until the end of the term if I finish the work early.
Sounds like Seravalli just is making a splash about nothing

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It's not just contract law, plain and simple. The Flames can easily grant Treliving the ability to seek new employment, as is most often the case in the NHL.

What the Flames are doing here is petty and potentially limits the opportunities available to him if many positions have been filled before July 1.

If you guys want to hand wave this away and justify it as stand procedure, go for it. I'm simply embarrassed and hope my favorite team acts better going forward. I'll leave my opinion at that.

How can someone be so embarrassed for a multi million dollar organization they choose to cheer for that they have literally zero control over? You post about your embarrassment almost weekly.

[Ashasx]

Just Seravalli going after the Flames! Once again! What does this mad man have against this organization?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

How can someone be so embarrassed for a multi million dollar organization they choose to cheer for that they have literally zero control over? You post about your embarrassment almost weekly.

We have a thread on this forum, in it's tenth version, called 'Edmonton is no Good' with over 5000 posts in its current iteration.

As hardcore fans, if we can take joy in the failures of a rival, I don't understand how you could not feel shame for the failures of your own.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Just Seravalli going after the Flames! Once again! What does this mad man have against this organization?

Seravalli didn't really have an opinion in that tweet you posted He just stated facts.

You're the one who called it embarrassing.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Seravalli didn't really have an opinion in that tweet you posted He just stated facts.

You're the one who called it embarrassing.

I'm not the one who said Seravalli is making a splash about nothing.

[GullFoss]

Seravelli sure seems to get a lot of the Treliving scoops

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It's not just contract law, plain and simple. The Flames can easily grant Treliving the ability to seek new employment, as is most often the case in the NHL.

How often do GMs quit versus getting canned though. If the Flames fired him and then were holding him to his contract then I could get to where you are.

[dustygoon]

If calgary fired Treliving, then he should be allowed to talk to others. But he quit. Team doesn't owe him this nor should they do it out of compassion.

[CroFlames]

Again, getting "fired" in the NHL is different than in real life.

It basically means stop doing your job, and we'll continue paying you. When we stop paying you, you can go get another job.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Just Seravalli going after the Flames! Once again! What does this mad man have against this organization?

He does his daily podcasts with Oilers media like Gregor and Yaremchuk who hate the Flames. I don’t think Serivali hates the flames but could have some bias toward them. I think his takes on the organization have been poor since the season ended. He is criticizing them for doing due diligence on GM candidates as opposed to gifting the job to Conroy. Such a weird take as most organizations post and interview for jobs when available and open those to both internal and external candidates.