Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

$6 billion to the Aussies for a missle defence system.

Cancel the rest of those F35s and use them on drones. and the world's greatest gamers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...ctic-1.7486640


... and we should invade Greenland...

Regarding your signature, did Peter really write that? I’m sure he did. It’s laughable.

[Azure]

Cringe selfie by two dimwits, but I guess the news is encouraging so hopefully it gets accomplished sooner rather than later.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1902050200404832589

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It’s a good thing the Liberals are being forced to operate like a serious government and worry about things like the economy .

It would also be a good thing in these recent polls force the cons to become more serious about the social concerns a lot of this country has and mature as a party in regards to an actual plan and platform

But it is pretty funny seeing people applauding Carney for cancelling a tax his party created , focusing less on left leaning social issues and fringe topics and more on the economy , and preaching smaller government who were lauding the exact same policies when the cons were saying it for years

If Carney was the PM for the newly elected cons he would be called the favorite CalgaryPuck buzzword - a deplorable . Not caring about the environment . Making minority policies less of a focus vs general economic growth policies.

The liberals have very smartly taken the platform and talking points that PP used to gain support and adopted them into their platform , while appealing to Canadians that they also don’t have the fringe crazy get right politicians and will stand up for Canada

It is a great strategy as has worked masterfully . And I am glad they have shifted to where they are and hope/pray if they win they actually govern this way vs what we have seen for a decade

But let’s not pretend most of what they are shifting too isn’t what the cons have been saying for years - or at least what people who were shifting to the cons have been asking for over the last years

I agree with the majority of what you posted here.

It is funny to see the same posters who repeated the Liberals never moved from the centre, are now supporting Carney who is clearly moving to the centre.
I also do understand why they would do that though, given the alternative.

Where I don't agree is this is what the cons have been saying for years. In some cases yes, but they have shifted dramatically to the right from where they were.

I posted the BC carbon tax was repealed today and that was actually brought in the the BC Liberals (a conservative party) in 2008.
Funny enough, the BC NDP campaigned to "Axe the Tax" at that time.

The first carbon tax in North American was brought forward by a conservative government after signing a pledge to fight global warming with Republican Governor Schwarzenegger in 2007.
Conservative and Republican governments pledging to fight climate change and using a carbon tax.

Now days, you wound't find Conservatives or Republicans bring any environmental initiatives forward. It's hard to even find conservatives who will acknowledge climate change anymore. The entire concept has become "socialist" to them which shows how far into crazy land most have drifted.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If Carney was the PM for the newly elected cons he would be called the favorite CalgaryPuck buzzword - a deplorable . Not caring about the environment . Making minority policies less of a focus vs general economic growth policies.

The liberals have very smartly taken the platform and talking points that PP used to gain support and adopted them into their platform , while appealing to Canadians that they also don’t have the fringe crazy get right politicians and will stand up for Canada

It is a great strategy as has worked masterfully . And I am glad they have shifted to where they are and hope/pray if they win they actually govern this way vs what we have seen for a decade

But let’s not pretend most of what they are shifting too isn’t what the cons have been saying for years - or at least what people who were shifting to the cons have been asking for over the last years

The Liberals often shift policy on a dime - it’s why they’ve been in power for most of the last 70 years. This is their big advantage over the CPC, who are shackled to the far right.

In another timeline, Mark Carney is the leader of centre-right federal party in the upcoming election. But people like Carney are no longer welcome in Canada’s conservative party. As opendoor remarked, the CPC cannot move to the centre with sparking a rebellion in their populist base.

A clear majority of Canadians loathe MAGA and everything it stands for. That didn’t matter as much when the cost of living and housing were top of mind. But now that Canadians are threatened by full-blown right-wing populism in action, Canada’s maple MAGA movement is politically toxic.

There’s still a deep-rooted dread of a divided right in conservative Canadian political circles. But given the liability of keeping the far right in the tent, if the CPC want to win elections they may not have a choice but to drive the populists out of the party to their natural home in the Peoples’ Party.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

In another timeline, Mark Carney is the leader of centre-right federal party in the upcoming election.

Or, hell, the CPC itself. Is there really that much daylight politically between Erin O'Toole and Carney?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Or, hell, the CPC itself. Is there really that much daylight politically between Erin O'Toole and Carney?

O'Toole is likely PM right now if he didn't have to cow to the far-right while running.

[Ashasx]

Seems like the Liberals will run away with this now and with the way things are trending, may even have a bigger majority than Trudeau won in 2015.

What will the PCs take out of this? Will the go further right or move back to centre? It doesn't even feel like the next Conservative leader is even an MP right now.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by rubecube

o'toole is likely pm right now if he didn't have to cow to the far-right while running.

easily!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by rubecube

O'Toole is likely PM right now if he didn't have to cow to the far-right while running.

For all the talk about people “suddenly” backing Carney as he moves the Liberal party right, what’s ignored is how many of the same people were backing O’Toole before he started pandering to the far right (and nodding along to his message to the party on the way out).

It’s surprising to me that conservatives still struggle to understand after all these years what Canadians despise or, at best, manage to just barely tolerate about what the CPC has become.

Easy to convince yourself centrist, pragmatic policies are suddenly popular because a Liberal is standing behind them. Unfortunately there’s failure to learn the lesson at hand if you actually believe that, which is what is going to keep the CPC and their supporters as losers.

Eventually, someone within that party and those supporting it need to wake up.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I'm not very political but it's a little ironic that the US is ran like a circus and Canada potentially being run by a Carney.

[calgarygeologist]

Carney apparently said today that he anticipates there will be conflicts of interest which arise especially related to any matter which might impact Brookfield. Screens will need to be invoked in those situations.

New PM Carney anticipating conflict-of-interest screen around Brookfield dealings

Prime Minister Mark Carney says he expects the government's ethics commissioner will recommend he set up a screen around his previous business dealings to avoid any potential conflicts of interest.

The newly sworn-in leader has faced repeated questions, which have led to some testy exchanges, about whether his assets, now in a blind trust, open him up to controversy.

"There's a discussion with the ethics commissioner for certain screens around certain issues and that's a process that is underway," said Carney during a news conference in Iqaluit Tuesday, where he reiterated that he believes he's going above and beyond the existing conflict-of-interest rules.

"It's a natural process and of course it's part of the way our system works and I very much respect the system."

Speaking in French, Carney said screens will probably be set up — as they were for former prime ministers Justin Trudeau and Paul Martin as well as several cabinet ministers — and said he and his team have already made proposals.

Carney said, for example, if a government decision were to majorly impact Brookfield Asset Management, that would clearly be a conflict and there would be a screen in place preventing him from weighing in.

Under the Conflict of Interest Act, a screen is agreed upon by a public office holder and the Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner to "minimize the possibility of conflicts arising between the public duties of the public office holder and their private interests or those of their relatives and friends."

Screens are made public and include a description of the conflict of interest, the names of the individuals and/or entities involved, the title of the screen administrator and a statement from the public office holder agreeing to abstain from any discussions, decisions, debate or votes concerning the subject of the conflict of interest.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...reen-1.7486801

Let's not forget that yesterday Carney was questioned about any potential conflicts of interest and his answer was "what possible conflict would you have". Rosie Barton asked a followed up "Are you saying you are not going to have any conflict of interest?" Carney replied "Yes."

But now we learn that his team has already been making proposals for screens to deal with potential conflicts of interests.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

Regarding your signature, did Peter really write that? I’m sure he did. It’s laughable.

Yes. it is probably the stupidest post on CP in the past 20 years.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Carney apparently said today that he anticipates there will be conflicts of interest which arise especially related to any matter which might impact Brookfield. Screens will need to be invoked in those situations.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...reen-1.7486801

Let's not forget that yesterday Carney was questioned about any potential conflicts of interest and his answer was "what possible conflict would you have". Rosie Barton asked a followed up "Are you saying you are not going to have any conflict of interest?" Carney replied "Yes."

But now we learn that his team has already been making proposals for screens to deal with potential conflicts of interests.

You mean he said that there wouldn’t be any conflict of interest and now it comes out that he’s implementing screens so there won’t be any conflicts of interest?

Diabolical.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

For all the talk about people “suddenly” backing Carney as he moves the Liberal party right, what’s ignored is how many of the same people were backing O’Toole before he started pandering to the far right (and nodding along to his message to the party on the way out).

It’s surprising to me that conservatives still struggle to understand after all these years what Canadians despise or, at best, manage to just barely tolerate about what the CPC has become.

Easy to convince yourself centrist, pragmatic policies are suddenly popular because a Liberal is standing behind them. Unfortunately there’s failure to learn the lesson at hand if you actually believe that, which is what is going to keep the CPC and their supporters as losers.

Eventually, someone within that party and those supporting it need to wake up.

Any potential votes you would lose from the Maple MAGA crowd you would gain from people holding their noses and voting Liberal.

I just don't understand the thought process, unless they are firmly in the grasp of the nutjobs.

[Ped]

You mean he said that there wouldn’t be any conflict of interest and now it comes out that he’s implementing screens so there won’t be any conflicts of interest?

Diabolical.

Clearly only because the MAGA wing held his feet to the fire!

[woob]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You mean he said that there wouldn’t be any conflict of interest and now it comes out that he’s implementing screens so there won’t be any conflicts of interest?

Diabolical.

Pepsi! He can't be trusted!! We don't want leaders who provide clarification or additional information after the fact.

Can't Count on Carney. Oh crap, that's 4 words. Need to simplify.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Or, hell, the CPC itself. Is there really that much daylight politically between Erin O'Toole and Carney?

The pre-Covid CPC, sure. It’s a different party post-Covid.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Azure

Uh, what? Delusional take there buddy. I have no lost love for the chaps down south. Maybe go read the tariff thread?

You, like most of us, are disgusted at Trump for the tariffs, and his threats against our sovereignty.

But you don't make a big stink every time he or his press secretary gives an unfriendly response to a reporter. I also don't recall you taking issue with how much money Trump has, his financial conflicts of interest, or the ways he uses the office to enrich himself.

But you're freaking out about Carney's refusal to answer a gotcha question, where the goal was clearly to create a soundbite for the conservatives to use in attack ads.

Trying to cook up a "look how rich Carney is" controversy, is honestly pathetic and desperate.

But hey, for someone who rails against the 'rich & powerful' all the time, you sure have no problem lapping up what Carney has to say. Pretty hypocritical there, don't you think? One would think Carney represents everything you hate and bitch about everyday. Ex-banker, Goldman & Brookfield elitist, no?

Oh right, its different when its 'your' side. My bad for forgetting how things work in your world.

The only reasonable approach to voting is to evaluate the parties/candidates who have a realistic chance to win, and vote for the best available choice among them. I look at Carney's policies and I look at PP's policies... it's clear to me that Carney's are better.

In case you've misunderstood me all these years, my issue is not with rich people. My issue is with policies that favour rich people and accelerate wealth inequality.

So if someone is rich, good for them. No hard feelings. But if said rich person then uses his wealth to influence government to keep making things better for rich people and worse for everyday people... that's where I take issue.

So while Carney and these Liberals are centrist, they are a far better choice than PP's Conservatives.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Seems like the Liberals will run away with this now and with the way things are trending, may even have a bigger majority than Trudeau won in 2015.

What will the PCs take out of this? Will the go further right or move back to centre? It doesn't even feel like the next Conservative leader is even an MP right now.

Mostly they will rage on twitter about how stupid Canadians are and how Alberta should join the US

[belsarius]

The CPC can't seem to help but shoot themselves in the foot.

Not allowing reporters to travel with PP is just going to stoke the anti-MSM fire and make is easier to tie them to Trump's attack on the media.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/con...rail-1.7487068