[Trade] Sens trade Norris and Bernard Docker to Sabres for Cozens, Gilbert, 2026 2nd

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Every rebuild is forced on every rebuilding team.

No team has ever unilaterally just decided to enter a rebuild.

Yeah by poor performance and aging players. The flames tried to sign a bunch.

We weren’t rebuilding either

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

I find it kind of amusing that the rebuild team believes the final product that will win a cup in 5 years will consist solely of players aged 23 to 28 years old.

Yeah because teams winning cups are being pushed by 40 year olds. Great take.

[kyuss275]

Was hoping we had heard the last of Paulie vs Cozens when he was traded to Ottawa. I guess not.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Sharks picked 3 and 1 overall. They are coming out of the rebuild now.

Flames haven’t even started. Every trade you mentioned was forced on the team. Not a strategy.

Has anybody told the Sharks this? 13 regulation wins on the season. Give it 5 years and I'd say there's better odds that you can add the Sharks and Hawks to list of teams where a scorched earth rebuild didn't work over seeing either team win a Cup.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

OOOOOOh the REBUILD definition conversation again.

It had been too long since it last occured.

This time it will be different as a definitive conclusion will be reached after an entirely new argument is raised.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The Sharks have a .326 winning percentage this year. They are not even beginning to come out of the rebuild. Yet they are signing veteran players in their thirties, some of them to big-money contracts with term. Why? Because they have to ice a team until their youth movement is ready to graduate – which does not happen all at once. Every rebuilding team does this.

You are drawing distinctions that do not exist between what the Flames are actually doing and what you imagine an ideal rebuilding team would do. No team has ever conducted a rebuild in the way that you think it should be done, except possibly the 1901 Montreal Shamrocks.



They could have traded for established players only. Nobody forced them to take eight picks, three prospects, a minor-leaguer, and only three regular NHLers.

I was, in fact, responding to a poster who accused the Flames of NOT trading for picks and prospects, and I showed very clearly that most of the assets they got in that trade were, in fact, picks and prospects. Apparently you completely missed the point that we were discussing. You're good at that.

What youth movement is happening in calgary ? Zary and Coronato?

You can look at this trade none of those teams would have made a hockey trade for Lindholm, Hanifin or Tanev.

Conroy going around waving our picks to get players now isn’t rebuilding. We are back to having our allocated amount of picks in this draft.

San Jose has been rebuilding for years that’s why they made moves for some vets.

[Bonded]

Sharks cannot be pointed to as a purposeful rebuild. The Sharks held on to an aging core for a very long time and then finally folded in the towel when they had too. I’d actually argue that the Flames positioned themselves better earlier in the year down stage. Wolf and the defense have the team above where it should be.

https://sanjosehockeynow.com/san-jos...rebuild-reset/

This article sounds exactly like the Flames.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What youth movement is happening in calgary ? Zary and Coronato?

Again, you have this imaginary idea that a team trades away all its veterans in one go and has a whole mess of rookies ready to go at once. That doesn't happen.

You can look at this trade none of those teams would have made a hockey trade for Lindholm, Hanifin or Tanev.

There are other teams that would have. The Flames were not forced to trade with the particular teams that they did.

Conroy going around waving our picks to get players now isn’t rebuilding. We are back to having our allocated amount of picks in this draft.

Yes, they now have two 1sts and no 4th. Apparently you think they were allocated two 1st by the league… or else that all draft picks are of equal value and it doesn't matter which round they're in.

San Jose has been rebuilding for years that’s why they made moves for some vets.

Every rebuilding team adds vets every year. Show me a case where they haven't.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Sharks cannot be pointed to as a purposeful rebuild. The Sharks held on to an aging core for a very long time and then finally folded in the towel when they had too. I’d actually argue that the Flames positioned themselves better earlier in the year down stage. Wolf and the defense have the team above where it should be.

https://sanjosehockeynow.com/san-jos...rebuild-reset/

This article sounds exactly like the Flames.

It also sounds exactly like every other team that ever did a rebuild.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Again, you have this imaginary idea that a team trades away all its veterans in one go and has a whole mess of rookies ready to go at once. That doesn't happen.



There are other teams that would have. The Flames were not forced to trade with the particular teams that they did.



Yes, they now have two 1sts and no 4th. Apparently you think they were allocated two 1st by the league… or else that all draft picks are of equal value and it doesn't matter which round they're in.



Every rebuilding team adds vets every year. Show me a case where they haven't.

We traded a 2nd as well. Maybe you forgot that.

No one said trade everyone away in 1 day.

Adding 26 year olds isn’t a rebuild. Adding vets via waivers or free agency when you actually are rebuilding is different. We already have them on the roster and trying to retool around them. Because 35 year olds centers win cups carrying a team.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Sharks picked 3 and 1 overall. They are coming out of the rebuild now.

Flames haven’t even started. Every trade you mentioned was forced on the team. Not a strategy.

Has anybody told the Sharks this? 13 regulations wins on the season. Give it 5 years and I'd say there's better odds that you can add the Sharks and Hawks to list of teams where a scorched earth rebuild didn't work over seeing either team win a Cup.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What youth movement is happening in calgary ? Zary and Coronato?

You can look at this trade none of those teams would have made a hockey trade for Lindholm, Hanifin or Tanev.

Conroy going around waving our picks to get players now isn’t rebuilding. We are back to having our allocated amount of picks in this draft.

San Jose has been rebuilding for years that’s why they made moves for some vets.

4 firsts in the next two drafts lol

and they still have a 2nd, maybe you forgot that...they had 2

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Acting like the 2nd traded for Frost and Farabee (players in their mid 20s) took our rebuild off its rails is rather dramatic.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We traded a 2nd as well. Maybe you forgot that.

It was an extra 2nd acquired in one of the earlier trades. Maybe you forgot that.

No one said trade everyone away in 1 day.

No, but you're complaining because there are still veterans on the roster. The only way to stop your bitching would be to trade everyone away to conform to your Platonic ideal of a proper rebuild.

Adding 26 year olds isn’t a rebuild. Adding vets via waivers or free agency when you actually are rebuilding is different.

San Jose has, in fact, done both. It has acquired veterans by trade as well as by free agency and waivers.

We already have them on the roster and trying to retool around them. Because 35 year olds centers win cups carrying a team.

There you go. You think anything that doesn't directly contribute to winning a Stanley Cup is a wasted move. Apparently you are incapable of grasping the notion that the franchise is required to play games THIS YEAR, and meet the salary floor THIS YEAR.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It also sounds exactly like every other team that ever did a rebuild.

Yup. I just thinks it funny Paulie is using the Sharks for his perfect rebuild scenario. The Hawks blew up their first rebuild to get Bédard. Will be interesting to see how long it takes them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Acting like the 2nd traded for Frost and Farabee (players in their mid 20s) took our rebuild off its rails is rather dramatic.

lol no one said it took it off the rails. All it does is confirm we aren’t rebuilding.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

lol no one said it took it off the rails. All it does is confirm we aren’t rebuilding.

Wat.

[saillias]

Dreger confirmed today that Flames were in on Cozens until the end. Also insists they will be trying a bunch of offer sheets.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by saillias

Dreger confirmed today that Flames were in on Cozens until the end. Also insists they will be trying a bunch of offer sheets.

I guess we will have to watch Zary vs Cozens for the rest of their careers lol.
I wonder who they will be targeting.

[Ped]

This is going to be the new Bennett thread isn't it?