[News] Flames claim AJ Greer off waivers from Boston

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

There will be people who don't want to hear it but they should move Greer at the trade deadline for a pick.

One lesson I hope Greer has shown the Flames is that you don't need to trade mid-late round picks to acquire bottom line talent, when there are very capable players available every year for free via free agency or waivers.

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I would argue Greer is the exception to the rule insofar as how these pick-ups pan out.

If Greer can be cost-controlled (commensurate 4th line salary), I'd keep him instead of trading him for picks. I think it would cost more in time and money to replace him.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I would argue Greer is the exception to the rule insofar as how these pick-ups pan out.

If Greer can be cost-controlled (commensurate 4th line salary), I'd keep him instead of trading him for picks. I think it would cost more in time and money to replace him.

What are the chances that an American player with no connection to the city or organization is going to take a cheap deal?

As good as Greer has been for a 4th liner that is all he has shown to be a 4th liner. He doesn't show to have potential to move up the line, he isn't a contributor on the PK or PP. How many games do we win/lose if we replace him with Duehr?

It has been a great story and solid pick=up but if there is a pick on the table take it and run.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I would argue Greer is the exception to the rule insofar as how these pick-ups pan out.



If Greer can be cost-controlled (commensurate 4th line salary), I'd keep him instead of trading him for picks. I think it would cost more in time and money to replace him.

What's your argument? All I am trying to explain is that there are around 15-25 guys with Greer's approximate skill level who can play on a 4L available for free when training camp concludes.

You don't need to pay over a million bucks for them and you definitely don't need to trade draft capital to acquire them. That's all

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[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Dude, your signature is bigger than your posts.

You can turn off signatures. It's my favorite user feature.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Spurs

What are the chances that an American player with no connection to the city or organization is going to take a cheap deal?

As good as Greer has been for a 4th liner that is all he has shown to be a 4th liner. He doesn't show to have potential to move up the line, he isn't a contributor on the PK or PP. How many games do we win/lose if we replace him with Duehr?

It has been a great story and solid pick=up but if there is a pick on the table take it and run.

Greer isn't American. Duehr is. As long as Greer is buriable, who cares. It's not like he's a lot older than Duehr (one year older), and he seems a lot better and more versatile to me.

You need good 4th line guys and he's fine.

[TheScorpion]

Trade Greer (and Duehr, if possible) for the best picks you can get at the deadline and sign replacements for league minimum in the summer. Players like them are extremely common.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Greer isn't American. Duehr is. As long as Greer is buriable, who cares. It's not like he's a lot older than Duehr (one year older), and he seems a lot better and more versatile to me.

You need good 4th line guys and he's fine.

Sorry I think I mixed him up with JT Compher who I think is American.

I never said he wasn't fine, I said if someone offers you a pick you take it everyday. Yes he is better than Duehr but how much does that impact games? How much does that impact games for a team going nowhere?

I have zero issue with him and wouldn't actively shop him but if a play-off team sees the value he could bring and are willing to give something up you take it 100 times out of 100. That isn't a shot at him or what he has done it just makes sense for a team in our position.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

What's your argument? All I am trying to explain is that there are around 15-25 guys with Greer's approximate skill level who can play on a 4L available for free when training camp concludes.

You don't need to pay over a million bucks for them and you definitely don't need to trade draft capital to acquire them. That's all

No big argument but rather just a tweak.

I don't think finding a Greer is as easy as you make it sound. 15-25 a year? That averages out to nearly one per team per year and yet we've found how many in recent memory versus the misses? Rooney (Tre pointlessly signing him notwithstanding) and someone like Zohorna immediately come to mind as two examples.

I'm just saying those misses cost time and money, and in exchange for playing that game again it would be worth a sensible bump to Greer's salary to keep the known quantity.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Sorry I think I mixed him up with JT Compher who I think is American.

I never said he wasn't fine, I said if someone offers you a pick you take it everyday. Yes he is better than Duehr but how much does that impact games? How much does that impact games for a team going nowhere?

I have zero issue with him and wouldn't actively shop him but if a play-off team sees the value he could bring and are willing to give something up you take it 100 times out of 100. That isn't a shot at him or what he has done it just makes sense for a team in our position.

Trade Duehr for a pick. He's a year younger and cost controlled for an extra year.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Trade Duehr for a pick. He's a year younger and cost controlled for an extra year.

I would gladly trade them both if we can get picks for them.

[TheScorpion]

Frankly though I would be astonished if any team were to give up a pick for Duehr. He is what he is. More than likely chance he'd clear waivers.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Frankly though I would be astonished if any team were to give up a pick for Duehr. He is what he is. More than likely chance he'd clear waivers.

I think he'd get claimed. But I doubt much of a return would be available too.

[Enoch Root]

If picking up another Greer is as easy as you guys claim, why would any team give us a pick for him? (And even more so, Duehr)

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If picking up another Greer is as easy as you guys claim, why would any team give us a pick for him? (And even more so, Duehr)

Needs at the start of the season when he was available are different from needs heading into the play-offs. I also doubt anyone thinks he is bringing back a haul.

I also don't think it is easy to pick up a guy like him but I do think that for a team that is at best hopelessly competing for the 8th spot the impact of replacing him with a lesser player will have no real impact on the team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Needs at the start of the season when he was available are different from needs heading into the play-offs.

I also doubt anyone thinks he is bringing back a haul.

I think he would get us a pick, I just don't think there is a truckload of guys like him waiting to be grabbed next year. Greer is better than most.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think he would get us a pick, I just don't think there is a truckload of guys like him waiting to be grabbed next year. Greer is better than most.

Huska's relatively generous use of the 4th line has given Green a little more spotlight. And as much criticism as Dube has had, he's probably one of the better 4th line centres Greer could be playing with.

[PepsiFree]

I’d be happy if the Flames were open to both trading him and extending him. Good player for that role, good fi, but ultimately not likely to still be here for the next window either way. If he wants to stay and the offers are in the 5/6/7 range, keep him, anything above or if he’s looking to test free agency, move him.

Don’t really see the sense in getting too attached or in trading him just for the sake of trading him. Do whatever makes sense.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If picking up another Greer is as easy as you guys claim, why would any team give us a pick for him? (And even more so, Duehr)

His value is higher now than at the beginning of the season, and he isn't likely to hit waivers again playing for Calgary.

The return will be nominal (5-7th round pick) but the point I am trying to make is that he is a free asset that could net a pick in return. That's a smart move, not extending him for extra money.

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[Classic_Sniper]

Greer has been excellent this season given his role on the team. Probably a smart strategy to look at good/deep teams and target their 13th forward and 7th defensemen as they'd probably be regulars in the line up for most other teams.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Greer has been excellent this season given his role on the team. Probably a smart strategy to look at good/deep teams and target their 13th forward and 7th defensemen as they'd probably be regulars in the line up for most other teams.

If you're looking at waiver pickups, it would have to be the 14th or 15th forward and 8th defenceman, because those are the guys getting sent to the minors. That thins out the list considerably.