2023/24 No Hope Flames Rumours & Speculation Thread

[the-rasta-masta]

Ya, that Markstrom take isn't very well thought out. If he managed to elevate his 2.92 GAA to his next worst 2.77, we're talking about 9 goals difference last year. If he was able to elevate his .892 SV% to his next worst .904, you're looking at an 18 goal difference.

The Flames don't necessarily need Markstrom to bounce back to his 21-22 numbers, although that would be nice. They just need him to not be the terrible goalie he was last year. He makes a couple more stops and the Flames would have made the playoffs last year.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah for me last year with Kadri the production wasn't the issue - 24 goals and 56 points is actually right on his per 82 game average for his career, like exactly his career average.

It was that he lacked the tenacity and edge he played with most of his career, especially in the second half of the season.

If he can provide around 60 points in a second line role, and play with that edge then he's fair value at $7M IMO. He shouldn't be expected to get a PPG at a $7M salary.

What really made Kadri a whipping boy was how visible many of his don't give a #### moments were. Total lack of effort at key moments.

That being said, with the rumours of how bad the organization's mood was and how restrained Kadri was in his ability to play his game last year, it's not surprising that Kadri (and many others) would be at less than 100%.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah for me last year with Kadri the production wasn't the issue - 24 goals and 56 points is actually right on his per 82 game average for his career, like exactly his career average.

It was that he lacked the tenacity and edge he played with most of his career, especially in the second half of the season.

If he can provide around 60 points in a second line role, and play with that edge then he's fair value at $7M IMO. He shouldn't be expected to get a PPG at a $7M salary.

I think some people have an outdated idea of what $7 million actually gets you these days. His production was right in line with many others with similar cap hits last season. Production-wise, he was fine though and probably the best forward on the team for at least half the season.

I agree that that the main issue was that he lacked the edge last season, particularly in the 2nd half of the season when the negativity overall was really setting in. I think the people who rip on him the mostly are people who probably didn't like him even before the Flames signed him and were ready to pounce on him for anything less than his Colorado production.

[GullFoss]

Bump!

[Bonded]

Please walk Hanifin and Lindholm

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Please walk Hanifin and Lindholm

In addition to the above, id consider trading Huby and Kadri (both 50% retained) for picks. And just start the much needed rebuild. At 50% retained, those two players would have decent value to a contending or up and coming team. The return haul would be good and the team would suck even more than it does now. Both those things would accelerate the rebuild.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

In addition to the above, id consider trading Huby and Kadri (both 50% retained) for picks. And just start the much needed rebuild. At 50% retained, those two players would have decent value to a contending or up and coming team. The return haul would be good and the team would suck even more than it does now. Both those things would accelerate the rebuild.

I doubt the Flames retain for 8 years of Hubby.

[Vinny01]

Would you all do this trade?

Huberdeau for Gallagher and Andersen?

Money is almost even $10.5M to the Habs, 12M to the Flames. They have 4 years left each to Huberdeau’s 8 so they cut the term in half but basically add 2 brutal contracts for one. Huberdeau has a better chance of rebounding than the other 2 so risk might be worth it for the Habs?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Would you all do this trade?

Huberdeau for Gallagher and Andersen?

Money is almost even $10.5M to the Habs, 12M to the Flames. They have 4 years left each to Huberdeau’s 8 so they cut the term in half but basically add 2 brutal contracts for one. Huberdeau has a better chance of rebounding than the other 2 so risk might be worth it for the Habs?

Yep, would do.

Gets the Flames clear of 4 years worth of Huberdeau, and that’s worth it.

Would Montreal? Unsure. I imagine he’d perform better there. They have speedy, talented forwards to compliment him, unlike the Flames.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Would you all do this trade?

Huberdeau for Gallagher and Andersen?

Money is almost even $10.5M to the Habs, 12M to the Flames. They have 4 years left each to Huberdeau’s 8 so they cut the term in half but basically add 2 brutal contracts for one. Huberdeau has a better chance of rebounding than the other 2 so risk might be worth it for the Habs?

I would want to make sure we paired it with other moves, such as trading Hanifan and Lindholm, as well as a ton of other mid level pieces as well.

But if the team committed to a rebuild I think that those two would be much easier to move for pieces that could help with that than Hubredeau would and at least in worst case scenario we are rid of the boat anchor contracts sooner.

[Vinny01]

It would be all about getting out of that Huberdeau contract. He might never figure it out in Calgary but get him back in the East playing for st.Louis it might work. I just don’t see it here no chance.

I am feeling pretty down on the team after that trip. Feels like a decade of darkness could be just beginning. Disastrous contracts on the books with potential risk for more to come

[Redrum]

For sure, because the term is the killer and we won't do much in 4 years, especially with our cap structure. After that we might actually be able to do something if management puts the handcuffs away and starts building... not stupidly.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Would you all do this trade?

Huberdeau for Gallagher and Andersen?

Money is almost even $10.5M to the Habs, 12M to the Flames. They have 4 years left each to Huberdeau’s 8 so they cut the term in half but basically add 2 brutal contracts for one. Huberdeau has a better chance of rebounding than the other 2 so risk might be worth it for the Habs?

I would first trade Lindholm and Hanifin then include some futures and ask for Monahan back too. Then trade futures ++ to get rid of Kadri and then start over.

This team just isn't anything worth while.

[beaster]

no answers here other than every year it's the same thing . Lots of energy and optimism in the preseason and everyone is healthy after hearing about all the injuries the players were dealing with in the prior year. Ten games in it's obvious we still have an AHL team trying to contend in the NHL.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Huberdeau isn’t going anywhere. Get used to him and Kadri.

We CAN move Lindholm and Hanifin though. 50% each of them and call up Zary and Poirier.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Would you all do this trade?

Huberdeau for Gallagher and Andersen?

Money is almost even $10.5M to the Habs, 12M to the Flames. They have 4 years left each to Huberdeau’s 8 so they cut the term in half but basically add 2 brutal contracts for one. Huberdeau has a better chance of rebounding than the other 2 so risk might be worth it for the Habs?

I like the idea but think we could get more out of Montreal.
They'll still value Huberdeau and his potential, so I dont think 2 salary anchors back is enough.
Maybe those 2 + a prospect.
The Flames should have more potential upside from the deal, as Montreal would be getting "potential upside" in Huberdeau.

[Saqe]

Nobody is taking those contracts. Half of their duration is 35+ y/o and probably terrible at that point. You have to find an equally bad, long contract from another team and they don't exist right now.

[Hackey]

We managed to turn a Lamborghini into a paper clip in just one trade.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Nobody is taking those contracts. Half of their duration is 35+ y/o and probably terrible at that point. You have to find an equally bad, long contract from another team and they don't exist right now.

Well, the Gallagher and Anderson offer at least makes you think. A year ago I couldn’t imagine myself saying that.

[PuckSlap]

Calgary has become a retreat for far too many players the past decade or so. Make good money, tell the media and fans what they want to hear, and just coast their way to retirement. The ownership group knows people will pay to watch these stars or former stars, for that matter, so what do they care?

And we all know they won't blow it all up and rebuild, cause that means NO playoffs and that means no money.

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