Not sure if it's that easy. What does that say to guys to Pelletier, Zary, Duehr, Phillips and some other prospects who've been riding the bus and paying their dues the last few seasons if they just haphazardly throw Coronato in? It's kind of a crap situation that we almost have to sign Coronato just because he's an NCAA player and we don't want that flight risk if he plays a 3rd year. If Coronato chose the CHL route, it'd almost be a certainty based on how we've developed our prospects for the last decade that he'd be in the AHL for at least one or two seasons.
Take Zary for example. A 1st rounder a year before Coronato, in his 2nd season in the AHL and putting up close to PPG numbers (57pts in 64gp).
Why don't we "throw him in, give him a game, don't play him on the bottom line, give him good linemates and get him some experience". I don't think anybody can say that Coronato deserves a shot in the NHL over Zary at this point. He'll probably draw in because "reasons", but it definitely will not be merit based.
As an aside, it seems like Coronato's entire line (Farrell and Laferriere) signed ELC's with their NHL teams. Will be interesting to see how they all pan out relative to each other the next few years. Surprisingly, Coronato has the lowest PPG of the three players while being the highest drafted.
Well the situation itself is a bit different, Coronato cannot play in the AHL so his only shot is NHL or sit out and gain nothing but visual experience and being around the team which isnt a bad thing.
Pelletier got a shot, did well but like most have speculated now he's out because of a headshot he took a few games ago. Its not reported, but its widely speculated by most so he cannot play either way. Pelletier himself also reached out and was happy to see him sign/join the team, I doubt he's MAD that Coronato might get some games...
I don't think you take Duehr out, the guy has more heart and soul than 3/4 of the team and has done quite well and could be here a long time. But you can keep him and take off any of Lucic, Lewis, Ritchie on the 4th line and let him play full time. I would like if they did honestly.
Zary should have been given a shot, he once again is top 15 in scoring and has proven he's a great 200ft player in the AHL as one of the younger guys. But with both Pelletier and Duehr up, they need him on the farm to finish strong. Don't get me wrong, I'd certainly like for the Flames to reward him with a callup and at least one game though.
Phillips is absolutely done with this organization, its a shame but its the truth. With how he's been handled when called up, coupled with the fact he's a UFA after this year I'd bet he's all but moving on so its non issue for me.
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re. Alex Laferriere, if this is true, I like what the King's have done
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From what we understand, Laferriere will be signing an Amateur Tryout contract (ATO) and report to AHL Ontario this week. The Reign have eight regular season games remaining on their schedule, including the next three at home – beginning Wednesday. Laferriere is expected to play in about five of them. Then, he will report to the Kings for their final two games of the regular season, Mon. Apr. 10 vs. Vancouver and Thurs. Apr. 13 at Anaheim. He most likely won’t play in either game. However, by activating his NHL contract for the 2022-23 season, it will ‘burn a year’ off the deal. Meaning, he will have two full seasons left on his contract starting with the 2023-24 campaign.
Give him a week to practice and see where he's at.
If he looks good, put him in on Sunday and see what he's got against one of the worst teams in the league. There's a good chance we won't be in the playoff race by then anyway.
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Not sure if it's that easy. What does that say to guys to Pelletier, Zary, Duehr, Phillips and some other prospects who've been riding the bus and paying their dues the last few seasons if they just haphazardly throw Coronato in? It's kind of a crap situation that we almost have to sign Coronato just because he's an NCAA player and we don't want that flight risk if he plays a 3rd year. If Coronato chose the CHL route, it'd almost be a certainty based on how we've developed our prospects for the last decade that he'd be in the AHL for at least one or two seasons.
Take Zary for example. A 1st rounder a year before Coronato, in his 2nd season in the AHL and putting up close to PPG numbers (57pts in 64gp).
Why don't we "throw him in, give him a game, don't play him on the bottom line, give him good linemates and get him some experience". I don't think anybody can say that Coronato deserves a shot in the NHL over Zary at this point. He'll probably draw in because "reasons", but it definitely will not be merit based.
As an aside, it seems like Coronato's entire line (Farrell and Laferriere) signed ELC's with their NHL teams. Will be interesting to see how they all pan out relative to each other the next few years. Surprisingly, Coronato has the lowest PPG of the three players while being the highest drafted.
Good questions!
I thought that a side benefit of having the ahl team in Calgary was the ability to get players into and out of the flames roster. Sort of pollinate the whole team with youth or energy without losing players on waivers.
At every level of business and sport, you give aspiring individuals a chance at a tougher level, even if it is only for a game or two. It usually motivates them and also encourages improvement to get back to the next level.
Except Flames because “reasons”. As if somehow the young players getting a game or two would disrupt veterans or somehow negatively affect our crap average record. Or that eating press box popcorn is your reward for practicing hard. If you don’t want to keep the player then at the very least you can showcase them for a trade. Not Flames. We like to walk players to free agency to ensure that they get there. Think about it. All of the time and money put into developing players and we let them go for nothing.
It’s just basic asset management. It’s one of the first things that needs fixing.
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I thought that a side benefit of having the ahl team in Calgary was the ability to get players into and out of the flames roster. Sort of pollinate the whole team with youth or energy without losing players on waivers.
At every level of business and sport, you give aspiring individuals a chance at a tougher level, even if it is only for a game or two. It usually motivates them and also encourages improvement to get back to the next level.
Except Flames because “reasons”. As if somehow the young players getting a game or two would disrupt veterans or somehow negatively affect our crap average record. Or that eating press box popcorn is your reward for practicing hard. If you don’t want to keep the player then at the very least you can showcase them for a trade. Not Flames. We like to walk players to free agency to ensure that they get there. Think about it. All of the time and money put into developing players and we let them go for nothing.
It’s just basic asset management. It’s one of the first things that needs fixing.
Ruzicka has had 44 games
Duehr has 20 games
Pelletier 23 games
Gilbert 21 games
Mackey had 10
Phillips had 2
Desimone 4
Zahorna 8
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Was a bit odd having to listen to Lou this morning on 960 talk about Coronato.
Guys were asking him if he thinks Matt should get into the lineup, and I wont quote verbatim but Lou basically says:
"The thing is where does he fit, the team is in a playoff hunt and unless you think he gives you a better shot of winning than someone on the roster in the top 6 you cant get him in"
"He has to prove he deserves to be there, you cant just give him a spot, who do you take out that doesnt deserve to be there"
"I think you should give him 1 game and have him use that to be better for next year"
"There's no guarantee he can come in and in 2 shifts show you hes ready like Cale Makar did"
"But there's no way to know unless he shows you he can"
"But you cant just throw him straight in and let him play"
The whole time I was puzzled.
Like throw the kid in, give him a game and see what you have, its not that hard.
Dont play him on the bottom line, give him some good linemates and let him get some experience.
Lou clinging to the single digit % chance the flames make the playoffs like its going to happen.
Why cant we just let the kid get a few practices in and give him a game and let him show what he can do... why do you we have to John Madden the analytics and in a round about way say the same thing over and over.
Normally I don't mind his takes, but it was some kinda confusing this morning.
You forgot to add in the question mark after every clause of a statement, the way Loubardias speaks.
I don't think a player can sign an Amateur Tryout and an NHL contract at the same time. I could be mistaken but glad for it to be cleared up.
If I understand that correctly, he would report to Ontario on a "try out" before they file his ELC with the league. Then, once they file the ELC, he would no longer be eligible to play in the AHL.
I don't think any team has ever done that before with a college player, so we'll see if the league accepts it.
It makes sense from their perspective because he isn't likely to get in many games down the stretch for the Kings with them fighting for first in the division, but he can probably help the Reign win a couple as they jockey for playoff position.
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I thought that a side benefit of having the ahl team in Calgary was the ability to get players into and out of the flames roster. Sort of pollinate the whole team with youth or energy without losing players on waivers.
Having the team play in Calgary or Stockton does not affect waivers.
