[Signing] Flames sign Matt Coronato to entry-level contract

[Royle9]

Was a bit odd having to listen to Lou this morning on 960 talk about Coronato.

Guys were asking him if he thinks Matt should get into the lineup, and I wont quote verbatim but Lou basically says:

"The thing is where does he fit, the team is in a playoff hunt and unless you think he gives you a better shot of winning than someone on the roster in the top 6 you cant get him in"
"He has to prove he deserves to be there, you cant just give him a spot, who do you take out that doesnt deserve to be there"
"I think you should give him 1 game and have him use that to be better for next year"
"There's no guarantee he can come in and in 2 shifts show you hes ready like Cale Makar did"
"But there's no way to know unless he shows you he can"
"But you cant just throw him straight in and let him play"

The whole time I was puzzled.
Like throw the kid in, give him a game and see what you have, its not that hard.
Dont play him on the bottom line, give him some good linemates and let him get some experience.

Lou clinging to the single digit % chance the flames make the playoffs like its going to happen.

Why cant we just let the kid get a few practices in and give him a game and let him show what he can do... why do you we have to John Madden the analytics and in a round about way say the same thing over and over.

Normally I don't mind his takes, but it was some kinda confusing this morning.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

So "loyalty" or simply "contentment with living here" are grounds for naming a guy Captain? Good grief.

Can anyone tell me what Backs has done in the time period Gio left that NOW makes him Captain material instead of then? Because I've seen Blake freaking Coleman get up and speak to the media a hell of a lot more this season than Captain extraordinaire Michael Backlund.

It really just speaks to how depressing this organization is right now that people want to gift a C to a 3rd line centre with no real discernable leadership skills apart from the fact that he's been here the longest.

Talk about failing upwards.

Backlund has been the model of consistency since about 2012. Every year, people say he’s due to decline, or his contract is gonna start looking bad, and he comes back with his usual 40-50 points with stellar defensive play with tertiary line mates and no significant PP time.


I don’t think I’ll ever understand why this team has never given Backlund a shot with the best players on the team.

There’s no way he puts up worse numbers than Monahan over the last eight years if he’s stapled to Gaudreau, and I don’t really think Lindholm is a vastly better offensive talent.

He’s been the best centre on this team for a decade and he gets 3rd line plugs and kids to babysit.

It’s like they saw he didn’t work with Iggy at 19, and then decided “he’s not a top line C” forever.

[Toonage]

Re: Lou
Not sure if he was beating around the bush but I think we all know the deal. Until the Flames are mathematically eliminated, there is very little chance Sutter puts him in the lineup. I'm sure he was promised a game, and that will likely be the last game of the season.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Isn't communism what every liberal government is secretly moving us towards and therefore we need to embrace far right movements to stop it?!?!?!

LOL. Good lord.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The team would have flown in his parents if his first NHL game was imminent.

[Duffalufagus]

I can't believe there is actually a discussion going on about whether he gets in the lineup. Sutter is still the coach right? Tre will probably have to beg even when they are mathematically eliminated.

[Royle9]

I don't disagree, but even if this team had a hope to get into the playoffs they sure could use some youth or an injection of a "feel good" story giving this teams best prospect a shot.
I see no reason *outside of the obvious Sutter issue* that he couldn't jump into a top 6 role for a game or two.

Boomer said it best:

Do you have some speed?
Do you have some skill?
Do you have a great shot? not saying you'll have the same time and space as the NCAA but he's has an elite shot.
Then get in here, because this team needs it.

[8sPOT]

I think he should at least get some practices in, maybe watch a game or two from the press box. Then the coaching staff can determine where he's at.

Its no issue at all to scratch Lucic or Ritchie to get him in.

Not sure there is any benefit to just tossing him into a game before getting a feel for the speed, systems, teammates, etc.

Really hoping he becomes a big part of the team though, fingers crossed for this kid.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think it makes sense to let him get settled in a bit before playing, but he will be getting in some games this season to burn a year. That is practically a given.

I get that there is still like a 6% chance of making the playoffs and until the math is complete, they have to be all in trying to make it. Just have to be patient and wait for nature to take it's course.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I would much rather move Zadorov than Mangiapane

Of course you would. You hate the guy.

He was our best dman for the first 35-40 games. He has fallen off as of late though.

Mang has been hot crap ALL season! He's not even worth $2mil/year.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Of course you would. You hate the guy.

He was our best dman for the first 35-40 games. He has fallen off as of late though.

Mang has been hot crap ALL season! He's not even worth $2mil/year.

He just straight up was not. He wasn't the best we had going - but yes, he has fallen off a cliff.

Our best three defencemen this season I'd argue have been Mackenzie Weegar, Chris Tanev, and Rasmus Andersson - and that's from Day 1 to Today.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He just straight up was not. He wasn't the best we had going - but yes, he has fallen off a cliff.

Who was then? Maybe Tanev? no one else was even close.

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Was a bit odd having to listen to Lou this morning on 960 talk about Coronato.

Guys were asking him if he thinks Matt should get into the lineup, and I wont quote verbatim but Lou basically says:

"The thing is where does he fit, the team is in a playoff hunt and unless you think he gives you a better shot of winning than someone on the roster in the top 6 you cant get him in"
"He has to prove he deserves to be there, you cant just give him a spot, who do you take out that doesnt deserve to be there"
"I think you should give him 1 game and have him use that to be better for next year"
"There's no guarantee he can come in and in 2 shifts show you hes ready like Cale Makar did"
"But there's no way to know unless he shows you he can"
"But you cant just throw him straight in and let him play"

The whole time I was puzzled.
Like throw the kid in, give him a game and see what you have, its not that hard. Dont play him on the bottom line, give him some good linemates and let him get some experience.

Not sure if it's that easy. What does that say to guys to Pelletier, Zary, Duehr, Phillips and some other prospects who've been riding the bus and paying their dues the last few seasons if they just haphazardly throw Coronato in? It's kind of a crap situation that we almost have to sign Coronato just because he's an NCAA player and we don't want that flight risk if he plays a 3rd year. If Coronato chose the CHL route, it'd almost be a certainty based on how we've developed our prospects for the last decade that he'd be in the AHL for at least one or two seasons.

Take Zary for example. A 1st rounder a year before Coronato, in his 2nd season in the AHL and putting up close to PPG numbers (57pts in 64gp).
Why don't we "throw him in, give him a game, don't play him on the bottom line, give him good linemates and get him some experience". I don't think anybody can say that Coronato deserves a shot in the NHL over Zary at this point. He'll probably draw in because "reasons", but it definitely will not be merit based.

As an aside, it seems like Coronato's entire line (Farrell and Laferriere) signed ELC's with their NHL teams. Will be interesting to see how they all pan out relative to each other the next few years. Surprisingly, Coronato has the lowest PPG of the three players while being the highest drafted.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He just straight up was not. He wasn't the best we had going - but yes, he has fallen off a cliff.

Our best two defencemen this season I'd argue have been Mackenzie Weegar and Rasmus Andersson - and that's from Day 1 to Today.

You mean TJ Weegar who had NO points and every single mistake he made went into our net? Weegar is now our best Dman though.

Besides it's Scorps thing. He has never liked Zadarov on the Flames ever! It's kinda weird. Like maybe he beat him up during an interview or something... lol

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Who was then? Maybe Tanev? no one else was even close.

Weegar has been consistently excellent all season - it's just now the puck has been going in for him.

Andersson and Tanev have both been better than him all season long.

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

You mean TJ Weegar who had NO points and every single mistake he made went into our net? Weegar is now our best Dman though.

Besides it's Scorps thing. He has never liked Zadarov on the Flames ever! It's kinda weird. Like maybe he beat him up during an interview or something... lol

When we signed Zads I hated it, but then looked into him more and figured "this guy will probably not be very good, but will become a fan favourite" and I think it's largely played out that way. People love him for his big hits - and something that won over people this year was that the puck went into the net for him early - but he still was not great. He's the 5th best defenceman on this team.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The team would have flown in his parents if his first NHL game was imminent.

They're getting the Jane and Guy suite at the super 8 ready.

[FlamesAddiction]

I never really expected Mangiapane to get 35 goals again. A lot of those goals came in a relatively short window and his shooting percentage wasn't sustainable. I think he just caught lightning in a bottle for a bit. Still, I think he should be a 25 goal guy, so his season has been disappointing. His effort still seems to be there though, and he is noticeably trying it seems. I expect that this is just a down year for him and he could easily rebound next season.

[Always Earned Never Given]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Not sure if it's that easy. What does that say to guys to Pelletier, Zary, Duehr, Phillips and some other prospects who've been riding the bus and paying their dues the last few seasons if they just haphazardly throw Coronato in? It's kind of a crap situation that we almost have to sign Coronato just because he's an NCAA player and we don't want that flight risk if he plays a 3rd year. If Coronato chose the CHL route, it'd almost be a certainty based on how we've developed our prospects for the last decade that he'd be in the AHL for at least one or two seasons.

Take Zary for example. A 1st rounder a year before Coronato, in his 2nd season in the AHL and putting up close to PPG numbers (57pts in 64gp).
Why don't we "throw him in, give him a game, don't play him on the bottom line, give him good linemates and get him some experience". I don't think anybody can say that Coronato deserves a shot in the NHL over Zary at this point. He'll probably draw in because "reasons", but it definitely will not be merit based.

As an aside, it seems like Coronato's entire line (Farrell and Laferriere) signed ELC's with their NHL teams. Will be interesting to see how they all pan out relative to each other the next few years. Surprisingly, Coronato has the lowest PPG of the three players while being the highest drafted.

Both are 1 year older than Matt. So if you compare their stats as 20 year olds, Matt has more goals and more points.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You’re not really describing communism here so much as an absolute monarchy.

That's why I threw I the Simpsons joke. The Flames never named a captain and looks like they are trying to lead as a group but It's not working. Kinda like how China and Russia are Communist but in fact are total dictatorships. Hence the Simpsons in theory joke.

It was just an attempt at a joke.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Based on his draft/post-draft year results, how are the prospect gurus out there seeing Coronato’s potential?

We looking at a potential top6 or middle 6 winger?

I am no prospect guru, but I think he projects as a middle 6, with 2nd line upside - similar to Toffoli (career, not this year).

If he becomes a top liner, that's found money, IMO.

(sorry to stray off-topic)