Idk guys I'm still salty we lost to Vegas who had Brossoit in next. Obviously hindsight 20/20 to lose him like 8 years ago, but you stack up all these games where Markstrom has started and it gets wild.
Like NON-playoff teams are starting the most middle-of- the-pack to never-even-heard-of-these-goalies, and we get beat.
This is just a tough tough season for the organization, and there needs to be a definitive (or proverbial) stake in the coffin. It needs a big change whether that is management or roster related I have no clue.
Not much to say that hasn’t been said today or at any point this season. The thought of having the players we have under contract for the next 8 years makes me want to vomit.
Absolutely nothing to be happy about with this team right now. Nothing to be excited about. No future to look forward to. No blue chip prospects in the pipeline. The entire organization is absolutely devoid of excitement right now (except Wolf, but I’m of the opinion he should not be rushed into the NHL right now).
Been a season ticket holder since day one. Going to the Bettman lunch on Tuesday. Tre and Flames brass will be there. There will be a QandA.
If I had the nads I would read your post out loud. Reflects the feeling of all STHs and the fan base generally.
It’s a shame this season has been as much of a struggle as it has. They have a good group of players. It’s just not working for one reason or another.
I have a feeling the next two games are going to finish them off. Something is off with the team though. Hopefully they can figure it out in the offseason.
It’s a shame this season has been as much of a struggle as it has. They have a good group of players. It’s just not working for one reason or another.
I have a feeling the next two games are going to finish them off. Something is off with the team though. Hopefully they can figure it out in the offseason.
I agree. It was interesting at least. Very few games where they completely didn’t show up.
Hopefully we will get some (moderately) shiny futures at the deadline.
I thought he was completely nuts when he took over, but after listening to him on Frank Seravalli’s podcast I think teams could learn a thing or two from Tom Dundon and how he’s been running the Hurricanes since he took over.
He hires good coaches and good GM’s and trusts them. If the players aren’t working out or want too much money they aren’t afraid to shuffle them out.
He also made some comments about advice other owners gave him (about firing coaches and GM’s) and thought it was garbage.
I’d love to see the Flames emulate what they do. Carolina likely wouldn’t have signed Huberdeau to that contract before he played a single game for them.
CapFriendly data goes back to 2015-16. According to the site, from 2015-16 to 2021-22, the Hurricanes have spent $52 million fewer dollars than the Flames on their roster ($7.4 million/season)...not to mention a significantly smaller Hockey Operations budget (the Flames having the largest stable of assistant GMs in the league for starters).
While the Hurricanes, like the Flames, have not won the ultimate prize in that time, they have:
Won 4 playoff series to the Flames' 1
Made it to 1 conference final to the Flames' 0
Both missed the playoffs 3 times
Outpointed the Flames 632 to 607 in the regular season
It is likely the Hurricanes' efforts don't win them a Stanley Cup. But obviously anyone would rather have 0 Cup wins for $40+ million less than another empty-handed Team.
I don't know how an owner can look at a peer who has spent multiple playoffs runs worth of money less than his has and be happy. If Flames' majority owner, Edwards, is as focused on cash over success as is often mentioned on this forum, he has to be pretty disappointed in our GM's efficiency over that time. Also, consider the Flames' most successful season in terms of both points and playoffs in that span came on the back of a coach who was hired by ownership after the GM failed multiple times in that regard. Looking ahead, Edwards has a Team that has partially mortgaged its future to sign largely post-prime players to egregious contracts in the GM's desperate attempt to win something - and even expended draft capital to do so. The reality is if the Flames' ownership group wants to realize success they need to implement a competent and efficient Hockey Operations group.
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I was worried when at the end of pregame, Weegar fires a puck at the net at the other end of the ice. He totally fluffs it, puck slides off his stick and dribbles down the ice.
When was the “Young Guns” era, and why is it named so?
Basically it was the between the 1998-2000 seasons, where the Flames went with a youth movement for players. All the forwards were quite young. There was the likes of Valeri Bure, Savard, Reggie, Iginla, Morris, Wilm, Weimer and Todd Simpson (captain) to name a few. They were horribly bad teams and the youth movement did not work.
Heck, the starting tendy on most nights was Freddy Braithwaite and in one year, backed up by Grant Fuhr.
The young guns slogan was also cumulated with the introduction of the new flames blasty jersey as well.
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Basically it was the between 1998-2000 seasons, where the Flames went with a youth movement for players. All the forwards were quite young. There was the likes of Valeri Bure, Savard, Reggie, Iginla, Morris, Wilm, Weimer and Todd Simpson (captain) to name a few. They were horribly bad teams and the youth movement did not work.
Heck, the starting tendy on most nights was Freddy Braithwaite and in one year, backed up by Grant Fuhr.
The young guns slogan was also cumulated with the introduction of the new flames jersey as well.
I remember all those players, just didn’t know why they were called young guns. Bure I know we didn’t draft. Savard I’m pretty sure we didn’t? Morris was supposed to be great. Didn’t Wiemer come from Tampa Bay?
Doesn’t seem like much of an era unless someone in the organization named it.
I remember all those players, just didn’t know why they were called young guns. Bure I know we didn’t draft. Savard I’m pretty sure we didn’t? Morris was supposed to be great. Didn’t Wiemer come from Tampa Bay?
Doesn’t seem like much of an era unless someone in the organization named it.
That is correct, we got Savard via trade with the Rangers. Bure, from Montreal. Morris was drafted and had a good draft scouting report, coming from the Pats. Wiemer did come from Tampa Bay, as a player, he never did live up to his draft position.
“Playing the Stanley Champions…it’s Nathan Mackinnon”
I just so badly want the Flames to have a Nathan Mackinnon. So sick and tired of this team just trying to eek their way through life with a sub-standard talent base. Just commit to the path you need to take to get that player. Put in the “work”. We’re here for it. We’ve done everything else…just do it. Just friggin’ rebuild through the top of the draft, please.
If we don’t do it…what’s next? Our pets heads are gonna start falling off? I can’t deal with that.
Such a shame that Feaster could not pull off the three 2013 first rounders for MacKinnon trade. Jay knew what the team needed, he just could not get it. That was probably the closest the Flames have been to getting a true stud in the last 10 years.
A lot of defensive breakdowns tonight, and I don't get why we saw Zadorov - Gilbert on the ice against MacKinnon/Rantanen line. That was a mismatch that Colorado gladly used.
I'm also still intrigued by Hanifin - Tanev and Weegar - Andersson as the top two pairings going forward. Ever since being hit by a truck Andersson, understandably, seems a bit off. Sutter doesn't seem like he's going to try it at any time soon.
Aside from that I'm just jealous of all the skill Colorado has. Wish the Flames could score at will like that. I liked the frustration, and the rough stuff and the attempt to fight back. Unfortunately, they didn't help, but it was still a fun game if we don't look at the score too closely.
The Avs are missing Landeskog and Makar. What a lineup.
“Playing the Stanley Champions…it’s Nathan Mackinnon”
This is such a frustrating thing to hear from Sutter. It is his job as the coach to come up with a game plan to counter Nathan MacKinnon or any other superstar player. It is his job to make in game adjustments to solve the other team. We see none of this from Sutter. He's always been a work-harder-not-smarter type of coach and rolls the same lines out there to play the exact same boring as #### style the team is expecting and knows how to defend.
This is a different game now and you need to take what the other team is giving you, and every team gives you something different. It's why the Avalanche are Stanley Cup champions, they adapted best to each team they were playing. It is also why the Flames got absolutely destroyed by two players in the playoffs last spring. Sutter had no answers for them and they had a field day against the Mickey Mouse systems that Sutter had the Flames play. The only thing that came out of that humiliating loss was a broken Jacob Markstrom. That was on Sutter and his refusal to adjust. The game has passed him by. You can't win in this league by trying to knock your square peg into a round hole with a sledgehammer. It just doesn't work anymore.
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I don't want to be/sound petulant but for a 43 year old team, the Flames have honestly been short changed by this league to not have enjoyed a single top 3 overall pick in that time
Pretty ####ing tough sledding to compete when you've never gotten thar elite talent dropped in your lap
Talent isn't "dropped in your lap" when you finish that high. You have to work for it. You have to commit to being bad enough to be in a position to get these picks. The Flames have never been that way. They have fought this tried and true mechanism and have instead worked towards mediocrity. Once you get it through your head how bad your organization is you should accept that you have to burn the ships and commit to going for that elite talent.
The Flames have been very lucky and did have a core player "drop into their lap" when Vancouver made the bonehead move of not selecting Tkachuk and going with Olli Juolevi, so it has happened for the Flames.
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This is such a frustrating thing to hear from Sutter. It is his job as the coach to come up with a game plan to counter Nathan MacKinnon or any other superstar player. It is his job to make in game adjustments to solve the other team. We see none of this from Sutter. He's always been a work-harder-not-smarter type of coach and rolls the same lines out there to play the exact same boring as #### style the team is expecting and knows how to defend.
This is a different game now and you need to take what the other team is giving you, and every team gives you something different. It's why the Avalanche are Stanley Cup champions, they adapted best to each team they were playing. It is also why the Flames got absolutely destroyed by two players in the playoffs last spring. Sutter had no answers for them and they had a field day against the Mickey Mouse systems that Sutter had the Flames play. The only thing that came out of that humiliating loss was a broken Jacob Markstrom. That was on Sutter and his refusal to adjust. The game has passed him by. You can't win in this league by trying to knock your square peg into a round hole with a sledgehammer. It just doesn't work anymore.
Talent isn't "dropped in your lap" when you finish that high. You have to work for it. You have to commit to being bad enough to be in a position to get these picks. The Flames have never been that way. They have fought this tried and true mechanism and have instead worked towards mediocrity. Once you get it through your head how bad your organization is you should accept that you have to burn the ships and commit to going for that elite talent.
The Flames have been very lucky and did have a core player "drop into their lap" when Vancouver made the bonehead move of not selecting Tkachuk and going with Olli Juolevi, so it has happened for the Flames.
It sort of is what it is though. Under Gulutzan the Flames averaged 41 wins every 82 games and made the playoffs 1/2 of the time.
Under Sutter the Flames up until last night have averaged 44 wins every 82 games and will have made the playoffs 1/3 of the time.
You can bring wolf, zary, pettersen and Poirier up soon and get a head start on next year. Flames will be effectively out of the playoff chase soon enough.
At least the young guns were “young”. We were fed a line of BS about how a veteran team like this would know what it takes to get into the playoffs and go on a run. We were conned!! I’d rather see some kids up here who will at least play with energy and enthusiasm than see these veterans go through the motions and acting like they really give a ####. We have a veteran team that as long as they are cashing their big fat paycheques they are happy!!
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