Enough is enough - Bring up Wolf.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Besides, any true fan of this team knows there’s no saviour.

"True fan" lol

You don't have to be constantly negative to be a true fan. A true fan is someone who doesn't bail on the team and stop caring the moment they struggle.

[madmike]

The Flames don’t need a saviour in net. They just need someone who can be mediocre. That would be good enough to sneak into the playoffs.

I’m not saying Moneypuck is 100% correct, but at the moment the Flames have the 63rd- and 75th-ranked goalies in the league in goals saved above expected. Given that the site only has 93 goalies ranked, that’s really, really bad.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by madmike

The Flames don’t need a saviour in net. They just need someone who can be mediocre. That would be good enough to sneak into the playoffs.

I’m not saying Moneypuck is 100% correct, but at the moment the Flames have the 63rd- and 75th-ranked goalies in the league in goals saved above expected. Given that the site only has 93 goalies ranked, that’s really, really bad.

Am I missing something in the NHL standings?
I have the Flames needing to go about 16-8-1 to make the playoffs.
That's way above mediocre.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Am I missing something in the NHL standings?
I have the Flames needing to go about 16-8-1 to make the playoffs.
That's way above mediocre.

Mediocre goaltending (.906 save percentage) against the teams they’re playing should be good enough for the wins. Markstrom-quality goaltending will not get them into the playoffs.

[cam_wmh]

Quite a few opponents to calling him up.

Questions, for those that oppose how do you propose the Flames manage their goaltending situation this summer?

Trade Vladar?
Trade Markstrom?
Keep them both and keep Wolf in the minors for another season?

And if hes one of the two next season, isn’t that a risk without knowing what kind of NHL level goalie he is? vs trying him now…

[devo22]

I don't know if "trade Markstrom" is a realistic option. The Vezina finalist would have lots of suitors ... the 22/23 version is probably not an enticing option for a lot of teams. Vladar is the far more interesting trade chip. He's young and cheap, and he's shown he's a competent 1B/2A option already.

I'd much rather go with Vladar/Wolf going forward, even if it's risky. But with the season that Markstrom is having, moving him might prove difficult.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Most likely move Vladar.

I think Vladar is a good backup but I dont see him having a high enough ceiling to be the answer as #1 on a good team. He has been better than a bad Markstrom, but I dont think he has been amazing.

Go into next season with Markstrom/Wolf.
Both have high ceilings.
Markstrom might bounce back or Wolf might steal the show or even both. Those 2 give you a higher likelihood of someone stepping up to a true #1 & Markstrom could be a good mentor for Wolf.

I don't think anyone has suggested keeping Wolf down in the AHL another year.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Quite a few opponents to calling him up.

Questions, for those that oppose how do you propose the Flames manage their goaltending situation this summer?

Trade Vladar?
Trade Markstrom?
Keep them both and keep Wolf in the minors for another season?

And if hes one of the two next season, isn’t that a risk without knowing what kind of NHL level goalie he is? vs trying him now…

As much a some on here want to run Markstrom out of town he's not going anywhere unless he wants to. Trading Vladar is the more likely scenario.

But I said a month or two ago, I think unless Wolf steals the job from Vladar in training camp he atleast starts the season in the AHL. And really if he's as good as we think he is that's not going to hurt him. It's not want I think should happen. It's what I think the team will probably do.

As far as calling him up next season vs calling him up now goes, there's less pressure on him having him start the season vs now when the team is fighting for a spot.

That doesn't mean either he won't be called up at one point this season. Unless an injury happens I think he most likely gets called up again to end the season once the team's fate is sealed. And hopefully this time Sutter gives him a start like he should have last season.

[cam_wmh]

Yeah, the easiest does seem to be trading Vladar to avoid the three headed distraction. With the resume he has thus far, I feel he's earned a significant shot as the backup. I'm still a proponent to giving him a shot now.

Question, to those who watch the Wranglers regularly. Does the team play a defensive structure? Wide open? Has Wolf thrown them on his back?
I ask, as I see they lead the A, in both Goals For AND Goals Against. Top team for points as well. I agree in that a winning minor team culture, is paramount to club success, but imho not at the expense of the pro team.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Yeah, the easiest does seem to be trading Vladar to avoid the three headed distraction. With the resume he has thus far, I feel he's earned a significant shot as the backup. I'm still a proponent to giving him a shot now.

Question, to those who watch the Wranglers regularly. Does the team play a defensive structure? Wide open? Has Wolf thrown them on his back?
I ask, as I see they lead the A, in both Goals For AND Goals Against. Top team for points as well. I agree in that a winning minor team culture, is paramount to club success, but imho not at the expense of the pro team.

Same as the Flames. Tight checking, lowish shot volume against but average amount of high danger chances against. Wolf is the best player on the ice more often than not.

[heep223]

Bring up the Wolf. He's earned it, they need better goaltending, and it could be a rallying point for the team. It just makes sense

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Inferno

"True fan" lol

You don't have to be constantly negative to be a true fan. A true fan is someone who doesn't bail on the team and stop caring the moment they struggle.

Who said anything about not caring?

They’ve had two reliable goalies in the last 40 years.

[dobbles]

For the people that are against calling him up, take hockey out of the equation. If you had been with a company for several years and been the best performer at each job you had been assigned, would you be satisfied that you were being held out on the big promotion because of some colleagues that are performing absolutely terribly?

Sure sports leagues are weird with their contract structures and salary caps. But just from a personnel standpoint, in just about any other situation, you put your high performers in the best roles with the best chance of success.

Just call the kid up and see if you can make a run.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Who said anything about not caring?

They’ve had two reliable goalies in the last 40 years.

I never claimed anyone didn't care. I gave the definition of a true fan.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I never claimed anyone didn't care. I gave the definition of a true fan.

Right, and as you're a true fan too, you know that we don't get saviours, we're the Calgary Flames.

[HighLifeMan]

This organization completely lacks foresight. Dustin Wolf should have been called up after that absolute stinker in Detroit where you could have eased him into the lineup against the likes of Buffalo, Detroit, Ottawa, Philadelphia and Arizona. We are 57 games in.. We know what we have with our goaltending and know it's this team's biggest issue this season. We know we have arguably the best goaltending prospect in the world dominating the AHL level, yet here we are in no man's land continuing to pound away with the exact same things that haven't been working. We have 26 wins in 58 games - what exactly is the harm here?

We have seen young netminders in recent memory come in and make an immediate impacts on two teams that have gone on to win the cup with Matt Murray and Jordan Binnington.

Maybe the issues extend past the incredibly poor goaltending we have received this year - but why not atleast try something different? The upside far outweighs any potential downsides here, and time is surely running out.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Right, and as you're a true fan too, you know that we don't get saviours, we're the Calgary Flames.

It might not be as often as we would like but yes even the Flames have had saviors at times.

Having said that though, I don't believe there is one savior this season. It needs to be a team effort. The goaltending getting better no matter who it is won't matter if the other flaws don't get corrected.

It's also funny how two weeks ago when he was on his point streak Vladar was the man and should play out the season. Now both him and Markstrom are a couple of bums and Wolf is the man.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Jacob should take parental leave for a couple weeks.

Give him the rest of the year.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

This organization completely lacks foresight. Dustin Wolf should have been called up after that absolute stinker in Detroit where you could have eased him into the lineup against the likes of Buffalo, Detroit, Ottawa, Philadelphia and Arizona. We are 57 games in.. We know what we have with our goaltending and know it's this team's biggest issue this season. We know we have arguably the best goaltending prospect in the world dominating the AHL level, yet here we are in no man's land continuing to pound away with the exact same things that haven't been working. We have 26 wins in 58 games - what exactly is the harm here?

We have seen young netminders in recent memory come in and make an immediate impacts on two teams that have gone on to win the cup with Matt Murray and Jordan Binnington.

Maybe the issues extend past the incredibly poor goaltending we have received this year - but why not atleast try something different? The upside far outweighs any potential downsides here, and time is surely running out.

The team doesn't even try to help itself

They respond to persistent goaltending problems by inserting Duehr.

This is why we deserve 9th place with no playoffs or bedard odds.

It all has to be done by the book with this team, no matter how its going on the ice.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The team doesn't even try to help itself

They respond to persistent goaltending problems by inserting Duehr.

This is why we deserve 9th place with no playoffs or bedard odds.

It all has to be done by the book with this team, no matter how its going on the ice.

I would love for Treliving to call up Dustin Wolf. And it's what should happen.

But the likelihood of our coach playing him without an injury to Markstrom is 0%