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Old 02-21-2023, 01:32 PM   #141
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Bringing Wolf up is a terrible idea.

Throwing him into the hornets nest that is our disappointing season, largely thanks to poor goaltending, and hoping he's our savior is how you destroy a prospect.

Leave him to develop, continue excelling, and hopefully get the experience leading his team to a long playoff run.
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Old 02-21-2023, 01:46 PM   #142
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Alternately, it could play out well and catapult his confidence in Oettinger like ways, sustaining him as one of the best up and coming goalie prospects in the league.

There's a lot of bellyaching about his confidence in totally made up scenarios. If we bring him up and he plays poorly he probably goes back down. It doesn't have to be a one way ticket, and it doesn't have to have long term impacts on his confidence. Saying it will destroy him mentally is just as strange as claiming it's the only way to ensure he's a success.
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Old 02-21-2023, 01:50 PM   #143
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The team is going absolutely nowhere with Markstrom and Vladar. The team isn’t great, but it’s not like they’re the Ducks. They play well enough to keep almost every game close. The lousy goaltending isn’t the only reason they lose, but it’s a big part of the reason why.

I just don’t see why they don’t at least try Wolf. There is literally nothing to lose. If he has a rough few games, it’s not going to destroy his confidence. And if it does, then he likely isn’t ‘the guy’ anyway.
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Old 02-21-2023, 02:09 PM   #144
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Bringing Wolf up is a terrible idea.

Throwing him into the hornets nest that is our disappointing season, largely thanks to poor goaltending, and hoping he's our savior is how you destroy a prospect.

Leave him to develop, continue excelling, and hopefully get the experience leading his team to a long playoff run.
The hornets nest is Markstrom, Do you think the Wranglers don't hang Wolf out to dry?

Wolf has played 102 AHL pro games which is far more than any top goalie.

Ken Dryden once stated "to be a great goalie you need progression of competition", in other words, level up.

The season is toast with Markstrom in net, call up Wolf and see what we got, if anything it's experience for the future.
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Do you think the Wranglers don't hang Wolf out to dry?
Getting left out to dry in the AHL is a lot different than being left out to dry in the NHL.

Every goalie at every level gets left out to dry at times. It doesn't mean that when going to the next level that getting left out to dry isn't going to affect them mentally.
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Old 02-21-2023, 02:41 PM   #146
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I think it’s a great idea to ask our elite goaltending prospect to save this otherwise disappointing season. What could go wrong aside from derailing his development path which so far has been top tier.

This is a decision you make in the off-season. The season is on Vladar and Markstrom
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Looking around the league and seeing the types of goalies that are getting NHL starts, it's pretty shocking that Dustin Wolf hasn't made his NHL debut yet.
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Old 02-21-2023, 03:16 PM   #148
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Anyone worried about ruining Wolf by playing him in the NHL, on one of the best defensive metric teams in the league, should have their head checked. If he can't handle the pressure, it would be best to find out now.
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Old 02-21-2023, 03:22 PM   #149
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Play him if/when there's an injury.
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Old 02-21-2023, 03:41 PM   #150
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Alternately, it could play out well and catapult his confidence in Oettinger like ways, sustaining him as one of the best up and coming goalie prospects in the league.

There's a lot of bellyaching about his confidence in totally made up scenarios. If we bring him up and he plays poorly he probably goes back down. It doesn't have to be a one way ticket, and it doesn't have to have long term impacts on his confidence. Saying it will destroy him mentally is just as strange as claiming it's the only way to ensure he's a success.
Imagine how ####ty his confidence would have to be to have playing in the NHL destroy it.
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Imagine how ####ty his confidence would have to be to have playing in the NHL destroy it.
Misread your post, I agree with it.
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Old 02-21-2023, 03:51 PM   #152
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I think it’s a great idea to ask our elite goaltending prospect to save this otherwise disappointing season. What could go wrong aside from derailing his development path which so far has been top tier.

This is a decision you make in the off-season. The season is on Vladar and Markstrom
He’s a goalie. Goalies stop pucks.

He’s in the same building as the big club. The guys on the team know how good he is. They know he could help.

They’re giving up the 2nd fewest shots in the league and after last night against Philadelphia, they’re 15th in goals against.

That’s one position group’s fault, and it’s not the D, and it’s not the forwards.

A veteran, defensively sound team is exactly where you want to parachute a goalie prospect.

And let’s not pretend for a second that Wolf doesn’t stare at the ceiling every night knowing he could make a difference tomorrow if they let him.

If he’s that good, let’s find out.
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Old 02-21-2023, 03:53 PM   #153
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Bringing Wolf up is a terrible idea.

Throwing him into the hornets nest that is our disappointing season, largely thanks to poor goaltending, and hoping he's our savior is how you destroy a prospect.

Leave him to develop, continue excelling, and hopefully get the experience leading his team to a long playoff run.
Wolf isn't developing, he's dominating.

Markstrom debacle aside, this kid has earned a look.
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I agree, Dustin at least deserves a game if not 2 to at least see what he has/is.

He can't honestly be worse than Markstrom. If playing a couple games in the NHL this year destroys this kid, he was never going to make it anyhow.

Other teams have defensive breakdowns, but there goalies stop them, no reason Wolf can't.

Flames had a 2 on 0 against Philly and he saved it. Not all defensive breakdowns should end up in your net. At some point a goalie needs to stop a few high danger chances, that is what he is there for.
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Old 02-21-2023, 04:40 PM   #155
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How many goaltenders who were all-star level in junior and the AHL were ruined by playing in the NHL before 22?
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Old 02-21-2023, 05:15 PM   #156
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Wolf is such an interesting goalie. This league hasn't seen a goalie prospect like this, maybe, ever.

There's some pretty good rationale to keep him in the AHL / play him in the NHL but my beer league armchair goalie take:
  • He has NHL-level depth figured out. This is one of the biggest things AHL -> NHL goalies struggle with and then come up to get sniped. They'll over-adjust then deal with positioning issues instead.
  • There's very little precedent with his play-style so there isn't some type of predictable path. It's wild but hey, the numbers are there. Jonathan Quick is the closest comparable and even then there's some pretty distinct differences. A lot of people point to Saros (because of size) but Saros is more of a positional guy.
  • He over-commits in tight frequently (especially blocker-side) but uses his insane athleticism to compensate. I don't know if that will be possible at NHL level (his brief appearances in preseasons make me believe he should be fine but it's such a small sample size).
  • His puck handling is fine but decision making isn't great particularly in-around his net.
I think the team should play him if there's an injury, PO spot clinched or the season is tanked. They should make a call this offseason which one of Vladar/Markstrom is moved.
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Old 02-21-2023, 05:34 PM   #157
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Sell all the old guys that you can for picks and prospects. Keep a good D core though, rebuild and make Wolf the starter next year under a coach that has a track record of developing players.

That's my dream; a fun team to watch with enough foundation that they are not getting blown out every night that is hopefully building up to something awesome. Just like last time.
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How many goaltenders who were all-star level in junior and the AHL were ruined by playing in the NHL before 22?
Are there any?
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Old 02-21-2023, 05:50 PM   #159
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When Markstrom's baby is due we'll see Wolf.


And hopefully a better Markstrom.
Markstrom's wife is due this weekend. I think we see Wolf on the road trip.
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Markstrom's wife is due this weekend. I think we see Wolf on the road trip.
Jacob should take parental leave for a couple weeks.
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