Mathew Tkachuk and other key RFA signing watch thread

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Gaudreau did us a favor. We do not have to mortgage the future any further than we have had already to get under cap by asking someone to take Lucic or Monahan's final year.

18.45 million cap left to spend.
Source: https://forum.calgarypuck.com/newrep...te=1&p=8369402

3 RFAs to sign + one defensemen (Stone presumably) to get to 22 player roster.

If Tkachuk signs for 9.45 long term (might take a bit more).

Leaves 5.5 for Mangi and 2.7 for Kyl and 0.8 for Stone (slight raise). Will that be enough?

If we stink this year minus Gaudreau. We can retool and have zero cap dead weight because both Monahan and Lucic will be UFAs next year. Could even take a contract or two next year for draft capital to meet the floor if we sell off assets.

After the joke of a contract Norris got for his one 35 goal season, I have no idea what Mangiapane ends up at.

You’re probably right about Kylington - maybe a little less, $2.55M or so - he wasn’t the same after he got rocked.

[CaptainCrunch]

It would be nice to move Monahan, not only because of his injury history and fading effectiveness. But because it would be great to give a guy that comes across as pretty genuine a chance somewhere else, instead of likely facing a season on LTIR (Hey if the Oilers can do it with a healthy Smith, so can we)


In terms of MT, they need to really talk to him. If he intends to move on, appeal to him to sign a contract that gives the Flames time to move him, if that means a QO or a short term deal, then that's what it is.


If he indicates fully that he wants to say a Flame then you pretty much have to open the vault for him.


But the next 5 years of this franchises fortunes rely on a open and honest conversation with him. Non of this insincere pro player/agent media friendly BS.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Matata

Id be shocked if Tkachuks initial ask is below $12M x 8 and hes going to sit at home until hes traded or the flames offer $11M+ x 8. Im pretty sure Tkachuk would rather die than sign a fair value contract.

Tkachuk is going to exploit the F out of this situation. He's not a nice guy.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I really do not understand where this constant under valuing/rating of MT comes from.

Since he came into the NHL he is 25th in the entire league in offensive production.

6th among LW's.

12th among ALL wingers.

Last year playing on his off wing, he was the #1 RW offensively in the whole league.

He only played 1 of those seasons with JG.

He is very sound defensively, is a rockstar along the boards and in puck battles, and is a complete doosh in the eyes of the opposition.

24 years old.

Yeah...you pay guys like that to stick around....if they want to.

It's because he isn't an elite skater. Some people's eye test can't get past seeing players zipping around at top speed. Probably the most over valued attribute there is.

Give me a player with soft hands and high HQ over speed.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's because he isn't an elite skater. Some people's eye test can't get past seeing players zipping around at top speed. Probably the most over valued attribute there is.

Give me a player with soft hands and high HQ over speed.

Kind of in line with this, I've always thought the criticisms of Tkachuk trying the between-the-legs type moves really bizarre. He's one of few players who can turn an awkward slot position into a shot and, more often than he should, a goal or a good chance. Significantly better than just putting the puck into the pads or passing it out of the slot, but some fans seem to read it as "getting too fancy" or whatever.

The only real criticism I see with Tkachuk is that he has an on/off switch and it seems like mucking it up fires him up 90% of the time, but then there's a random 10% where he just shuts down completely after it. I think that continues getting better with maturity though. Would like to see him figure it out as a Flame.

[JTech780]

I am just tired of this team constantly building around wingers. When the last time we built around a center or a defenseman?

We need to find a number 1 center and a number 1 defenseman to build around if we really want to contend.

[memphusk]

Just like the Oilers.

[SuperMatt18]

I wonder if the Gaudreau scenario helps or hurts us in signing Tkachuk

Gaudreau just went to UFA after a 115 pt season - and ended up in Columbus with 7 x $9.75M

If you are Tkachuk you might be re-thinking things. St.Louis just signed Thomas...if Kyrou has another season like he's just had maybe they want to re-sign him first too. Much like Philly and Gaudreau maybe there isn't space back home for him.

If Calgary makes him a $10M+ offer right now does he take it - I don't think it would even need to be 8 years. I actually think he might prefer 3-5 years.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I am just tired of this team constantly building around wingers. When the last time we built around a center or a defenseman?

We need to find a number 1 center and a number 1 defenseman to build around if we really want to contend.

We have a #1 centre. We need a #2.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We have a #1 centre. We need a #2.

Is he a number 1 center without Gaudreau carrying the offense? I have my doubts. Don’t get me wrong I like Lindholm a lot, but I don’t think he is an elite number 1 center.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Is he a number 1 center without Gaudreau carrying the offense? I have my doubts. Don’t get me wrong I like Lindholm a lot, but I don’t think he is an elite number 1 center.

He'll win the Selke next year

[Icon]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I am just tired of this team constantly building around wingers. When the last time we built around a center or a defenseman?

We need to find a number 1 center and a number 1 defenseman to build around if we really want to contend.

Feel like it shouldn't need to be said, but easier said than done.

I mean it's not for lack of trying from some past drafts...
- Zary
- Monahan
- Bennett
- Jankowski (lol)
- Valimaki
Can even throw in acquisitions of Lindholm, Hamilton, Hanifin as attempts to build the team from a #1C or #1D.

Painful truth is if it was easy we wouldn't have to bring it up, Flames just haven't gotten as lucky with it as other teams.

[activeStick]

Was curious and I forgot about Tkachuk's post playoffs comments. He responds to Francis asking him if he'd be open to signing long term in Calgary at 5:08. Of course Johnny isn't here now though.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1530655148346724353

[dino7c]

People were saying the same things about Brady and he signed a fair contract

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Is he a number 1 center without Gaudreau carrying the offense? I have my doubts. Don’t get me wrong I like Lindholm a lot, but I don’t think he is an elite number 1 center.

Elite #1 C....how many teams have that?
Colorado.
Edmonton.
Pittsburgh
Toronto
Maybe Vegas if Eichel rebounds and progresses.

Unless you draft one you are not getting an elite #1 C

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

He'll win the Selke next year

how many elite #1 centres are there? What defines elite? Elias was the 11th highest scoring centre

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Was curious and I forgot about Tkachuk's post playoffs comments. He responds to Francis asking him if he'd be open to signing long term in Calgary at 5:08. Of course Johnny isn't here now though.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1530655148346724353

A bit of a contrast in the way he carries himself when compared to Johnny.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's because he isn't an elite skater. Some people's eye test can't get past seeing players zipping around at top speed. Probably the most over valued attribute there is.

Give me a player with soft hands and high HQ over speed.

Much prefer hockey skills over just speed. The Flames have had so many speedy forwards with hands of stone over the years. They end up pretty useless, usually buried on the 4th line and some PK work before heading off to Europe.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Kind of in line with this, I've always thought the criticisms of Tkachuk trying the between-the-legs type moves really bizarre. He's one of few players who can turn an awkward slot position into a shot and, more often than he should, a goal or a good chance. Significantly better than just putting the puck into the pads or passing it out of the slot, but some fans seem to read it as "getting too fancy" or whatever.

The only real criticism I see with Tkachuk is that he has an on/off switch and it seems like mucking it up fires him up 90% of the time, but then there's a random 10% where he just shuts down completely after it. I think that continues getting better with maturity though. Would like to see him figure it out as a Flame.

Nailed it. That type of maturity thing is also why it’s great we have Sutter in place for a player like Tkachuk.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by Zarley

A bit of a contrast in the way he carries himself when compared to Johnny.

As a talent, JG is as elite as they come. As a leader? Not remotely.