[PGT] STL 6 CGY 4: Black and Blued Slump. Please let it be over!

[dino7c]

Coleman was 5th in five on five ice time in the playoffs for the back to back champs

Hyman had one point in a first round loss

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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Disagree all you want. Hyman is an offensive forechecker - that was his role in Toronto and it still is. He’s never had good defensive numbers.

Coleman is a defensive player who contributes offensively only by workload, and not offensive talent. He has always been given defensive roles on his teams.

Surely you agree that Treliving gave him that money and term expecting 20+ goals in addition to his defensive play? Even his biggest fan has to be a little disappointed with his production.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Compare games played for context. He’s not going to hit 20 goals.Hyman for almost the same money has produced big time for the Oilers.

Well two years ago when he crushed it for 32 points he played 66 games. This year he has 29 points in 67 games. Hyman makes 600K more than Coleman and is signed for one more year. Hyman is also terrible defensively. Totally different players.

[Erick Estrada]

I recall Hyman having solid underlying numbers with the Leafs. Not sure where all the terrible defensively talk originated from.

[dino7c]

Hyman also wasn't coming here with McDrai 1:45 for every PP ice time on the table.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Surely you agree that Treliving gave him that money and term expecting 20+ goals in addition to his defensive play? Even his biggest fan has to be a little disappointed with his production.

I get what you're trying to say, but he's on pace to match his career-best year for points, I don't think his offensive numbers are or ever were really a point of concern since that's not his game. It's his 0.5 ppg in the playoffs that earned him his money in the offense department

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Oilers aren’t that far behind the Flams especially if you take away loser points.

The Flames have 4 more regulation wins than the Oilers this year. The oilers have 31 regulation time victories in 56 games (winning percentage of .554). The flames have 35 regulation wins in 53 games (winning percentage of .660). In regulation time the Flames are a far superior team to the Oilers. They oilers are good at shootouts and 3 on 3 hockey. Hopefully they get a bunch of that in the playoffs for their sake.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames have 4 more regulation wins than the Oilers this year. The oilers have 31 regulation time victories in 56 games (winning percentage of .554). The flames have 35 regulation wins in 53 games (winning percentage of .660). In regulation time the Flames are a far superior team to the Oilers. They oilers are good at shootouts and 3 on 3 hockey. Hopefully they get a bunch of that in the playoffs for their sake.

besides the point was who has improved more since those players were signed...obviously its the Flames by a country mile

Not sure why anyone is pumping up the Oilers or their player in a Blues/Flames PGT anyway

someone was bored on a Sunday afternoon I guess

[Stanley]

They just need to get back to playing better D. And with a road trip expect Vladar to get at least 1 game, prolly Ana or SJ (Markstrom sucks vs SJ for whatever reason I’d lean towards Vlad for that one).

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Cherry picker got a goal. Chucky did nothing. Defence was terrible. Tired of hearing, "Markstrom will bounce back after a loss". Darn right I'm negative. Starting to get that same old feeling of dread.

LOL, well then maybe you need to take a break from things that stress you out? Flames have been doing great this season, I couldn't be happier with how well they have done! Looking forward to the next game, hopefully we get some bounces going our way.

[klikitiklik]

Dominated and lost in all 3 games. Have to face adversity and learn to take a loss and move on. Guys look tired.

It's bound to happen. i don't worry about this team the way I used to. This isn't your old mentally fragile Flames.

Darryl will have them ready to go into the playoffs. The timing couldn't be better honestly.

Flames will bring home the cup this year or leave everything on the ice trying. It's our year.

[Flames_Gimp]

I thought the Flames dominated the blues except for a couple key missed coverage mistakes at key times and the blues made them pay.

going through a slump is expected, they can't win forever it's normal . only thing that bothers me is the trend of blowing a lead and not being able to lock it down late in the 3rd. But It's a small sample size lately so no need to worry. They can and probably will still win the division.

I think they will get back on track and hot just in time for playoffs!

[flames_fan_down_under]

Honestly this is the most optimistic I have been during a “slump”. They genuinely haven’t played that bad in their last few games, just a bit of bad puck luck and a few brain farts at bad times. I anticipate a much stronger game against Los Angeles.

[FBI]

Just wanted to chime in about Coleman so far. He’s been.. ok..
Supposed to be a tenacious forechecker but honestly I’ve seen more tenacity from Jarnkrok by far so far. I imagine he will step it up in the playoffs, but we also said that about Neal who was supposed to be clutch and was appallingly bad.

I don’t think Coleman is Neal but still have some ptsd from “he’ll step it up in the playoffs”

[BrennyBaller]

Originally Posted by FBI

Just wanted to chime in about Coleman so far. He’s been.. ok..
Supposed to be a tenacious forechecker but honestly I’ve seen more tenacity from Jarnkrok by far so far. I imagine he will step it up in the playoffs, but we also said that about Neal who was supposed to be clutch and was appallingly bad.

I don’t think Coleman is Neal but still have some ptsd from “he’ll step it up in the playoffs”

We were also thinking the same about Brouwer come playoffs, so I also get that PTSD

[browna]

The Flames played well enough but again, its timings. Get a goal when they are dominating most of the first, different game, maybe they roll over the Blues again. But, they let them off the hook and are then down.

One of those posts go in at end of second, different game if it's ties or Flames ahead in third.

It's happened a lot, in March and while not concerning, we haven't been able to demoralize teams with the goals against to match the domineering play and possession, and thus keep a team in the game.

Re Coleman, Treliving paid a premium for getting his playoff experience and tough minutes battles. He's played average to this point, so that premium paid will have to start playing off in these last week's and playoffs.

Neal not the ideal comparison, Brouwer would be.

[Bingo]

Coleman is fine.

He's not Neal.
He's not Brouwer.

At $4.9M you'd like a little more production, but with how well he plays defensively he's not really all that overpaid, and he certainly adds to the fabric of what Sutter's trying to accomplish.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Coleman is fine.

He's not Neal.
He's not Brouwer.

At $4.9M you'd like a little more production, but with how well he plays defensively he's not really all that overpaid, and he certainly adds to the fabric of what Sutter's trying to accomplish.

Exactly. There are different roles to play, and good teams have players for all of them. That's the primary difference between the Flames and the Oilers, so it's pretty ironic - and laughable - that EE would be using the Oilers as his example against what he thinks is wrong with Coleman. The truth is that the Oilers are devoid of what Coleman brings.

The Flames are deep. Their top 9 is rock solid. Coleman is a key piece in that. No, he isn't Gaudreau or Mangiapane. But he is definitely an important piece.

And $4.9M is not a ton of money for a UFA of his caliber. And he isn't hurting the cap. Will he in 5 years? Maybe, but let's worry about that then.

[Enoch Root]

Also, EE spent 5 years bitching about Giordano's contract, saying it would kill the team's cap. He was wrong every one of those years. And then when the 6th year came, and there was actually a chance that Giordano wouldn't be worth his contract, the problem solved itself.

You would think EE would learn from that. But nope, he just went straight from the Gio contract to the Coleman contract, never missed a beat.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Also, EE spent 5 years bitching about Giordano's contract, saying it would kill the team's cap. He was wrong every one of those years. And then when the 6th year came, and there was actually a chance that Giordano wouldn't be worth his contract, the problem solved itself.

You would think EE would learn from that. But nope, he just went straight from the Gio contract to the Coleman contract, never missed a beat.

Meh. At least he stuck around and is consistent.

Remember the dozens and dozens of posters who spent all summer bitching and moaning, hating on every move, badmouthing the GM, the org, the players etc. where all of them now? We saw a few pop up to trash talk the organization when Mony went on IR the other day and a few more have popped up now that the flames are in the midst of a losing streak. The rest won’t come back until the flames lose in the playoffs or until after our cup run so they can predict the next 20 years of doom and gloom.