[PGT] 5-3 Kings, oh no!

[blender]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It feels like I haven't seen that consistently since before the Dougie Hamilton days.

He did it regularly last season.

[bubbsy]

In isolation, this game was just another of 82. Some nights they have it, some team's just don't match up well for whatever reason.

I think the team has lost a lot of good will this season. They've had SO MANY no shows, against garbage teams, right when they need it (ie. in order to take 1st in the division, etc).

If this was last year, I think most fans would just move on "meh, bad game, looked flat to start, made some mental blunders, on to the next one..". It seems, at least for me, we are just waiting for this group to be able to 'figure it out' and somehow become last year's team again. A few games go by, and we all feel like we might getting to that point (like this past week) and then we see another game that seems too often to be this year's team identity (perimeter/one-and-done offence, piss poor team defence).

Are fans overly dramatic after a few good/bad games, absolutely. However, I do believe it stems from an underlying frustration with the current core of the team, and the question mark if they are what flames fans of the last 30 years fear most - mediocre.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL what are you talking about? This thread is much kinder to the Flames than Boomer and Sarich were this morning on 960.

Good thing I didn't listen this am...I knew it would likely be a #####sho

[Jeff Lebowski]

I didn't think CGY had the right battle level. LAK won more races to pucks and just more 1 on 1 battles.

CGY wasn't terrible IMO, they just didn't finish possessions off (I don't mean they didn't finish ie score goals). CGY would play hard, exit well but then the plays would die before zone time or a shot could be taken.

CGY just kind of let up in their execution - the focus slipped in dominating an entire shift. It may be that they get too impressed with themselves or the praise really makes them rest on laurels a little too much. It improved after about 5 min of second for a stretch (they caught up and passed shots something like 15-14) but then fell off again.

I don't think its a huge problem - rather just a drop of like 2% in determination.

They have to outwork teams.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Is this where we jump off the bus again? Asking for a friend.

Might as well stay on the bus just a touch longer. There's a game later today. Then if you want to jump off the bus, you'll be close to Disneyland.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I didn't think CGY had the right battle level. LAK won more races to pucks and just more 1 on 1 battles.

CGY wasn't terrible IMO, they just didn't finish possessions off (I don't mean they didn't finish ie score goals). CGY would play hard, exit well but then the plays would die before zone time or a shot could be taken.

CGY just kind of let up in their execution - the focus slipped in dominating an entire shift. It may be that they get too impressed with themselves or the praise really makes them rest on laurels a little too much. It improved after about 5 min of second for a stretch (they caught up and passed shots something like 15-14) but then fell off again.

I don't think its a huge problem - rather just a drop of like 2% in determination.

They have to outwork teams.

I was texting with a player on the Kings yesterday. I asked why the Kings always look so good against the Flames, but look terrible against other teams... His answer "We have Drew's back, and the best way to have his back is to make sure we beat the Flames and hopefully they miss the playoffs".

[Manhattanboy]

Who is still not missing Gio?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I mentioned in the GT, but man has their faceoff % fallen off a cliff. We were 3rd overall last year and sitting at 25th this year. Almost a 4% difference.

Kopitar basically ragdolled us all night with the last-change faceoff matchups and that was a big difference maker.

[ben voyonsdonc]

The Flames seem to really struggle against teams who successfully jam up the neutral zone (like using a 1-3-1 system). We get completely bottled up and can't break into the zone. We aren't really good at using the dump and chase to break in because of lack of speed and/or size from our most talented forwards.

[Huntingwhale]

Nasty game. The Flames deserve to be rung over the coals for this one.

Playing a bottom feeder team? Don't show up until halfway through the game for spurts.

Playing the lowest scoring team in the league? Let 'em score 5.

Previous 2 games you played with pace and moved the puck quickly? Go back to dump 'n' chase because that will show the Kings who's boss.

5 on 3 PP? Ensure you're the only team in the NHL without a 5 on 3 PP goal this season. I could be wrong on this, but sure feels like it.

That poll in the GDT from yesterday sure looks silly now. Should have been exactly 100% option C or D.

Sell sell sell. There should be no other option come deadline day, even if the team is in a playoff spot. Because there is a big chance they lose that spot like they've been in and out all season.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, I have no idea how any fan of Flames can be so pessimistic and negative. If this franchise has taught us anything over the years its to be patient because they always figure it out in the end.

I find it's useful to not be a historian all the time
And discuss things within the specific game at hand, which the thread is for.

Always jumping to big picture, we're doomed! It's always been this way and always will! Talk after every loss is pretty unhelpful and probably unnecessarily stressful to do every. single. time.

I think it's kind of ####ed of you to call me out for not thinking that way and seeing a few positives on their comeback effort. You know, within the context of that specific game.

I mean enjoy being miserable I guess. Where does it get you? This is a game, it's entertainment. The teams effort albeit late entertained me. It was nice that they didn't fold and call it a night.

I don't need to side with your black and white take because you want to go full hyperbole with the over the years talk and call it being realistic.

Past isn't always an indication of what will happen. For any team that wins, they had to break that cycle somewhere. Maybe the Flames will in the next couple years with the right trades/changes made.

Never understood the living in what has already happened justification. The team is composed of different players from year to year with exceptions. Overall it changes quite a lot. Saying we'll lose cause it's what 2012 Sutter Flames did and what the 2016 Hartley Flames did is strange and odd. This team has almost no relation to those squads aside from gaudreau, monahan and Giordano. Now saying you have doubts because of the consistency of the current crop makes more sense. But let's have that conversation, not your ridiculous, pouty crystal ball one.

[Erick Estrada]

Different people handle things differently djs. Just because losses roll of your back it doesn't mean other people can instantly forget what they just spent 3 hours watching and focus on next game. Honestly there's about 3 or 4 of you that spend way too much time complaining about how other fans handle the losses. We end up with post game threads of complainers from top to bottom with some complaining about the team and the others complaining about other posters that don't share their viewpoint. There are no wrongs here, just different people that share a fondness for the Calgary Flames.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I was texting with a player on the Kings yesterday. I asked why the Kings always look so good against the Flames, but look terrible against other teams... His answer "We have Drew's back, and the best way to have his back is to make sure we beat the Flames and hopefully they miss the playoffs".

Yeah that is what I figured. The worst thing you can do for a team that is fragile, is give them a rallying cause. Despite their standing, every game against the Flames is their Stanley Cup.

[keeper34]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Stone couldn't make most AHL teams

That's why Flames call him up.

[Manhattanboy]

Positive, negative sure we all have our views.

But at the end of the day the takeaway is bubble team loses to bottom feeder. Meh. No big surprise. Nothing to see here.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I find it's useful to not be a historian all the time
And discuss things within the specific game at hand, which the thread is for.

Always jumping to big picture, we're doomed! It's always been this way and always will! Talk after every loss is pretty unhelpful and probably unnecessarily stressful to do every. single. time.

I think it's kind of ####ed of you to call me out for not thinking that way and seeing a few positives on their comeback effort. You know, within the context of that specific game.

I mean enjoy being miserable I guess. Where does it get you? This is a game, it's entertainment. The teams effort albeit late entertained me. It was nice that they didn't fold and call it a night.

I don't need to side with your black and white take because you want to go full hyperbole with the over the years talk and call it being realistic.

Past isn't always an indication of what will happen. For any team that wins, they had to break that cycle somewhere. Maybe the Flames will in the next couple years with the right trades/changes made.

Never understood the living in what has already happened justification. The team is composed of different players from year to year with exceptions. Overall it changes quite a lot. Saying we'll lose cause it's what 2012 Sutter Flames did and what the 2016 Hartley Flames did is strange and odd. This team has almost no relation to those squads aside from gaudreau, monahan and Giordano. Now saying you have doubts because of the consistency of the current crop makes more sense. But let's have that conversation, not your ridiculous, pouty crystal ball one.

Lol

You called people out first for being negative.

Shocking that you would then get called out, I know.

[Tkachukwagon]

How did Yelesin look?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

How did Yelesin look?

Made a remarkably bad read on LA's second goal I believe and seemed to take some time to get used to the speed and aggressiveness of the NHL. But wasn't disastrous by any means.. considering Flames games are apparently the ####ing equivalent of Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals to Drew Pouty and the rest of his sad sack of a team.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

How did Yelesin look?

Jitters at first, but by the third period he jumped up into the rush a couple of times, and let a shot or two go. I think that he could be that plug and play stalwart third pairing guy, by as early as next year.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I was texting with a player on the Kings yesterday. I asked why the Kings always look so good against the Flames, but look terrible against other teams... His answer "We have Drew's back, and the best way to have his back is to make sure we beat the Flames and hopefully they miss the playoffs".

This is something I’ve suspected for a while now. As much as I love Chucky’s game, the way he riles up other opponents can sometimes be detrimental. I’ve heard the coaches say Tkachuk drags teammates into the battle, but I feel like it goes the other way too; sometimes he drags the opposition into the battle too. It certainly makes a Wednesday night game against a bottom feeder that much harder to win.

With that all said though, everything that he brings to the table definitely tips the scales favorably. Thank goodness the Flames are done playing the Kings.


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