[GDT] NHL Draft Lottery

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

There might not be a more overrated player on this board...

Maybe if he isn't suspended for any games next year he'll break 50 points?

It's adorable how bitter you get when fans of your old team talks about your new team.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Good point except that Treliving didn't trade the 2017 pick. You could pick any random number 12 looking back and make an argument for either side.

The Flames are 7 for 7 for the last picks they have made in the 1st three rounds. My expectation that this management team would pick a viable top-6/ top-4 player with the 12th overall pick.

Similarly the scouting/management team in 2015 that picked Anderssen at #53 and Kylington at #60 would have picked Barzal or Connor or Boesser or Konecny or Rosolvic or Beauvillier at #15. who were all available and all look to be on the top-6 track if not already there.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames are 7 for 7 for the last picks they have made in the 1st three rounds. My expectation that this management team would pick a viable top-6/ top-4 player with the 12th overall pick.

Similarly the scouting/management team in 2015 that picked Anderssen at #53 and Kylington at #60 would have picked Barzal or Connor or Boesser or Konecny or Rosolvic or Beauvillier at #15. who were all available and all look to be on the top-6 track if not already there.

Yeah we've had some pretty solid drafting in the past couple of years, but no point in hanging up on the Hamilton draft pick because Hamilton is one of the top young D-men in the game.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames are 7 for 7 for the last picks they have made in the 1st three rounds. My expectation that this management team would pick a viable top-6/ top-4 player with the 12th overall pick.

Similarly the scouting/management team in 2015 that picked Anderssen at #53 and Kylington at #60 would have picked Barzal or Connor or Boesser or Konecny or Rosolvic or Beauvillier at #15. who were all available and all look to be on the top-6 track if not already there.

Being 7 for 7 (too early to deem that anyway) is the exact reason you can move a first round pick for an established player.

Teams that go 1 for 7 had better not move first round picks.

Their recent success makes the Hamonic deal make more sense, not less.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It's adorable how bitter you get when fans of your old team talks about your new team.

Actually, I was just talking about the Flames. I've grown used to the usual responses from the peanut gallery being "b-b-but the Sabres are so bad lol!" -- like they're the first people to figure that one out and it has any relevance to the conversation (other than clearly baiting for a reaction).

[getbak]

A story from inside the sequestered room during the wait for the top 3 to be revealed: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...-lottery-room/

Funny that Bettman skipped out but everyone else had to stay.

In the past, every team sent a representative to witness the drawing, but this year, because of the long delay between the draw and the revealing, only 3 teams sent someone (Ottawa, Arizona, Detroit). Oddly enough, none of those three teams won any of the draws, so they weren't enthusiastic to stick around for an extra couple of hours.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Hahaha a fairly tame shot is taken at Tkachuk and the whole board goes nuclear. Calm down, boys.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

https://twitter.com/user/status/990386166129086464

I hope Treliving ponies up on Janko. I think he deserves it not only based on that game. It was great seeing the face of the NYI's GM not very happy with the no-change in position Carolina moving up into the top 3 pick. . I was pretty ecstatic when the Islanders also dropped down to 11th overall as well.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

There might not be a more overrated player on this board...

Maybe if he isn't suspended for any games next year he'll break 50 points?

Maybe if Eichel doesn't hurt himself again next year he'll come close to being worth the $10M contract he got.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by CSharp

I hope Treliving ponies up on Janko. I think he deserves it not only based on that game. It was great seeing the face of the NYI's GM not very happy with the no-change in position Carolina moving up into the top 3 pick. . I was pretty ecstatic when the Islanders also dropped down to 11th overall as well.

I don't think the Isles really care tbh lol they have 2 picks in the 1st round back to back.

they could draft Kotkaniemi and Veleno

[N-E-B]

Tkachuk overrated? Wow. That’s a horrible take. Like, really horrible.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Tkachuk overrated? Wow. That’s a horrible take. Like, really horrible.

Out of every player on this team that could get the overrated label he picks maybe the worst one hahaha

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I guess that makes up for Niklas Backstrom costing us Patrik ####ing Laine.

I'm not bitter about that. Not at all.

We had a shot at Laine? How’s that? Thx.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

We had a shot at Laine? How’s that? Thx.

Well the Jets had the 7th worst record that year and the flames had the 6th. Flames don’t win lotteries so if they finished 7th they probably would’ve picked 7th. I’m very happy with Tkachuk, beggers can’t be choosers.

[Flamenspiel]

^^thats pretty far fetched, once you go back in time everything changes.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

We had a shot at Laine? How’s that? Thx.

They did, but GreenLantern is misremembering. The Flames actually needed to win their last game and the Jets needed to lose. The Kings blew a 3-0 lead to the Jets so WPG finished one spot ahead. Had LA held on Calgary and Winnipeg would have flipped and Laine would be a Flame.

It worked out pretty well anyways, so I’m not all that upset about it.

[AC]

I always think those exercises looking into "what draft pick we would have had if the team won/lost some random game" are kind of stupid.

The actual lottery ball combos are determined by a random number generator, aren't they? So if literally nothing changed but they generate the numbers again, the results would be different.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Hahaha a fairly tame shot is taken at Tkachuk and the whole board goes nuclear. Calm down, boys.

I for one think it's funny when the hidden fact you're actually (and always have been) a Canucks fan slips through every now and then.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by AC

I always think those exercises looking into "what draft pick we would have had if the team won/lost some random game" are kind of stupid.

The actual lottery ball combos are determined by a random number generator, aren't they? So if literally nothing changed but they generate the numbers again, the results would be different.

Plus, I mean the butterfly effect right? Flames lose that game, and next thing you know, Edmonton is good in this parallel universe....

Nah who am I kidding. I'm sure however many infinite parallel universes, one thing remains constant like the law of physics: E=NG

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Being 7 for 7 (too early to deem that anyway) is the exact reason you can move a first round pick for an established player.

Teams that go 1 for 7 had better not move first round picks.

Their recent success makes the Hamonic deal make more sense, not less.

So the forward equivalent of Hamonic might be Mike Hoffman. He is coming of a lesser year after some top-3 years. He is got 2 years left at a 5.2 M cap hit.

If Ottawa were to retain 1.4M of his cap he would have the same cap hit and contract length as Hamonic.

So somehow because the Flames are able to draft pretty well they should give up the same package for him as they gave up for Hamonic?

Next years 1st and 2 2nds?

Or Valimaki and pick 2 of past 2nd round picks that have not made it to the NHL level - Fox, Dube, Parsons, Kylington and Andersen.

If this seems to be an invalid straw man argument then please provide some rationale why a good drafting team ( that is at best a bubble team) makes trading away high draft choices for an above average NHL player in peak years a good thing.


PS So the Flames who were a lot closer to 1 for 7 at the time made a mistake when trading for Hamilton?