[PGT] Leafs 4 Flames 1

[Strange Brew]

I waffle on this point but some days I think Gulutzen is doing everything he can.

Has Treliving provided him anything more than an average team to work with?

[ForeverFlameFan]

I’ve always been neutral about GG, but some of his decisions just really make you wonder what the heck he is doing...

Honest opinions, what do you guys think our record is with Hartley? We never had a good goaltender like Smith when he had the reins.

[bax]

Originally Posted by New Era

Don’t look now, but those are the Oilers in the rear view mirror, and they are getting closer.



Treliving is slow to acknowledge his mistakes, and Gulutzan is the biggest one he’s made to date, and Tre has made a few good ones. He needs to learn to process quicker, recognize mistakes, and act to remedy his errors. Gulutzan has to go.

I did look.

They are still 5 points back and have played an extra game. Not mention there is 4 other teams in between us.

We are closer to 1st in the division than we are with Edmonton. Of all the concerns to have this isn’t one of them.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I waffle on this point but some days I think Gulutzen is doing everything he can.

Has Treliving provided him anything more than an average team to work with?

BT has given Gulutzen a bunch of high end talent to work with on this team. This is one of the more talented Flames team that has been iced in a long time.

[belsarius]

Didn't bother to wade through the PGT. I assume,

Fire Gulutzan
Trade Brodie
Bench Bennett
Waive/Minors Stajan
Brower into the Sun

Did I miss anything?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Didn't bother to wade through the PGT. I assume,

Fire Gulutzan
Trade Brodie
Bench Bennett
Waive/Minors Stajan
Brower into the Sun

Did I miss anything?

Lazar sucks.
Hamonic was an overpay.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Didn't bother to wade through the PGT. I assume,

Fire Gulutzan
Trade Brodie
Bench Bennett
Waive/Minors Stajan
Brower into the Sun

Did I miss anything?

The Oilers are coming.

[devo22]

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I waffle on this point but some days I think Gulutzen is doing everything he can.

Has Treliving provided him anything more than an average team to work with?

Treliving handed him a well above average defence that is playing well below average hockey.

That fourth line is an abomination, however.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I thought Lazar had a decent game last night.

Our team would be a lot better if the 4th line was given to Mangiapane, Lazar and Hathaway.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Jagr
Mangiapane - Lazar - Hathaway

Is what I want to see. We’re not icing our best lineup if we don’t even have our other 2 PPG AHLerd here too. Even putting Jankowski with Mangiapane and Hathaway would do something good for us.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I thought Lazar had a decent game last night.

Our team would be a lot better if the 4th line was given to Mangiapane, Lazar and Hathaway.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Jagr
Mangiapane - Lazar - Hathaway

Is what I want to see. We’re not icing our best lineup if we don’t even have our other 2 PPG AHLerd here too. Even putting Jankowski with Mangiapane and Hathaway would do something good for us.

Completely agree. Brouwer and Stajan will be the most expensive scratch duo in the league and F. Hamilton can be sent down. Inject some youth and speed into the fourth line. Goodness though, that bottom 1/2 needs help.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Racki

I hate being the sky is falling type but tonight was kind of a defining game for me...

Last night's game was terrible.

But I wanted to point out that the first game back at home after a long road trip in November should never be classified as a "defining game." Like Bingo said in his Game Takes, there is so much else going on the first game back that creates these sorts of situations where one team is almost predictably not altogether on point.

For proof of that, people should have a look back at the PGT from 27 October, when the Flames lost a bad game to the Dallas Stars on the heel of back-to-back road games in Nashville and St. Louis. They went on a 5-1 tear through the duration of the homestand which followed.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I waffle on this point but some days I think Gulutzen is doing everything he can.

Has Treliving provided him anything more than an average team to work with?

Coming into the season, Flames were touted to have one of the best defense cores in the league. Have they, at any point during this season, played as such?

Brodie was one of the best defensemen in the leage before GG came to town, how about now?

This year, he even has a legit #1 goalie and the results are not that much better.

Plus, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Backlund, Gio...there is plenty of talent on this team. Which is unfortunately being wasted.

Some of the excuses for GG are ridiculous. There is no excuse as to why the Flames were flat in this game. Long road trip? They had a few days rest since then. If anything, after such a long road trip they should have been more energized about this game. This is not the first time, as well.

Someone said that this team is not a cup favorite and we should tamper down our expectations. While true, nobody said the Flames were CUP FAVORITES. But at this point, they should be cup contenders and not a borderline playoff team. We should be fighting for the division lead.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Coming into the season, Flames were touted to have one of the best defense cores in the league. Have they, at any point during this season, played as such?

Brodie was one of the best defensemen in the leage before GG came to town, how about now?

This year, he even has a legit #1 goalie and the results are not that much better.

Plus, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Backlund, Gio...there is plenty of talent on this team. Which is unfortunately being wasted.

Some of the excuses for GG are ridiculous. There is no excuse as to why the Flames were flat in this game. Long road trip? They had a few days rest since then. If anything, after such a long road trip they should have been more energized about this game. This is not the first time, as well.

Someone said that this team is not a cup favorite and we should tamper down our expectations. While true, nobody said the Flames were CUP FAVORITES. But at this point, they should be cup contenders and not a borderline playoff team. We should be fighting for the division lead.

Are people giving excuses for GG, or is it that people are giving excuses for the players by pinning it on GG?

The abysmal production by 3rd and 4th lines and the turnover prone defence. Maybe the fault lies with the players?

Like I say, I waffle on this and I'm by no means sold on GG as a high end coach. But I'm equally unsure about this great D corps. And would another coach really get more production out of Stajan, Brouwer, Lazar, Hamilton, Versteeg, Jagr, Bennett?

I get people have hard opinions on this. I'm just not so sure. But its pretty obvious to me that the personnel on the bottom 6 forwards needs to be adjusted.

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Didn't bother to wade through the PGT. I assume,

Fire Gulutzan
Trade Brodie
Bench Bennett
Waive/Minors Stajan
Brower into the Sun

Did I miss anything?

Ice sucks in Calgary but is great in all other cities.

[stone hands]

i think i'm taking breaks from cp unless they are in the middle of long winning streak

enjoy your pessimism circle jerk boys

[corporatejay]

I’m 99% positive GG tells wingers to fail on their clearing attempts that ultimately result goals.


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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Didn't bother to wade through the PGT. I assume,

Fire Gulutzan
Trade Brodie
Bench Bennett
Waive/Minors Stajan
Brower into the Sun

Did I miss anything?

The refs are incompetent and/or have an anti-Flames bias.

[Flamenspiel]

Yep, first game back from a road trip, its a long season. No one should read to much into that game as far as the Flames are concerned. Certainly we can conclude that Toronto is an improved team and well coached, of the Flames performance not so much.

The next 2-3 games will tell more of the tale. I would call these important games against divisional opponents.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by stone hands

i think i'm taking breaks from cp unless they are in the middle of long winning streak

enjoy your pessimism circle jerk boys

bye