[Trade] Canucks acquire B. Sutter + 3rd for Bonino, Clendening, + 2nd. UPD: Sutter signed.

[Jacks]

Makes me happy that the nucks are paying way too much for mid tier players.

Makes me sad that they are raising the comparable bar when we need to sign our own guys.

[Meers]

Yawn. The numbers are in-line with what players like Lars Eller, Sean Couturier, and Artem Anisimov received on recent contract extensions. Like it or not, high-end third-line centres get paid roughly this amount for their unrestricted free agent seasons.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Meers

Yawn. The numbers are in-line with what players like Lars Eller, Sean Couturier, and Artem Anisimov received on recent contract extensions. Like it or not, high-end third-line centres get paid roughly this amount for their unrestricted free agent seasons.

Couturier and Anisimov are much better hockey players than Sutter. Eller seems overpaid given his accomplishments to date. Not sure how any of this makes Sutter's contract look better.

For the record I think he's overpaid by about 750k, it's not the end of the word. Maybe 1-2 years too long on the term. What makes it really bad is when you line it up with all the other deals Benning has signed. Good thing you guys don't have any decent RFAs to worry about signing.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Only because of injuries.

Career:

Backlund: 0.42PPG
Sutter....: 0.37PPG

Last 3 seasons:

Backlund: 0.51PPG
Sutter....: 0.37PPG

Backlund is a better player

Who is our #2 center if Backlund is #3? Backlund was pretty clearly the #1 guy in Monahan's rookie year.

The ppg changes drastically when you have malkin/Crosby and Monahan ahead of you on the pp.

Backlund dropped from 11 pp pts in 2013-14 to 1 pp pt last year? He isn't that much worse of an offensive player... just moved down off the #1 PP.

[Strange Brew]

I don't think the contract is ridiculous. Maybe a little steep but I also think Frolik, Backlund and Stajan are all overpaid too. Maybe I need to adjust my perspective. But they should have gotten more for their assets in this trade. Not much doubt there.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by darthma

I simply meant that Frolik's age and dollar value are comparable. I think they bring different things to the table. Points-wise, Frolik is indeed superior (so far), but many (even CP pre-trade to the Canucks) would argue that Sutter brings a lot of intangibles to the table.

But yes, I do agree the price they paid for him was steep. I think that some discount what Clendening *could* become. Many Canucks fans had him slotted as their 7th D this year.



As for Sutter not being a UFA, all the years bought in his next contract are UFA years. if I understand the UFA rules correctly its 27 y.o. or 7 yrs in the NHL, and he'll be 27 next year. So in that sense it is comparable. Imagine if they let Sutter walk next year without getting him locked up - Benning effigies would burn.

And finally, there are some (re: Pierre Maguire) that subscribe to having a 'do anything' Center to build around (7 player formula). Remember when we had Yelle (aka Sandbox)? We loved him because he did everything. I'm not saying I'd pay him 4.4mill a year, but he was a big part of the 03-04 run. Perhaps that's what Benning is banking on.

well, not really...Calgary overpaid for Frolik because they were competing against other teams trying to secure his services during the first day of the UFA frenzy. Overpaying for Sutter when you are the only team in the bidding isn't comparable.

However... if we pay Gio 9million a year on his extension...

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Only because of injuries.

Career:

Backlund: 0.42PPG
Sutter....: 0.37PPG

Last 3 seasons:

Backlund: 0.51PPG
Sutter....: 0.37PPG

Backlund is a better player

Who is the second line center?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't think the contract is ridiculous. Maybe a little steep but I also think Frolik, Backlund and Stajan are all overpaid too. Maybe I need to adjust my perspective. But they should have gotten more for their assets in this trade. Not much doubt there.

Here we go again, comparing RFAs to UFAs...

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Who is the second line center?

It's a reference to going forward - Bennett will move ahead of him within a year IMO.

Also, fans seem to get way too hung up on first line, second line, third line, etc.

Even though Backlund was our #2 last year, his linemates and assignments were more of a defensive role anyways. So he was playing somewhat of a third line role even though he was our second best C.

The point, in the comparison to Sutter, was that Backlund will be the guy going forward, who will be utilized most similarly to Sutter. And he is a better player. And he costs less.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Who is the second line center?

19-year old Sam Bennett

(Previously known as 18-year old Sam Bennett, because he was 18 at the time).

[Locke]

I cannot wait to see what Bennett can do this season.

Hes not getting thrown to the wolves, he'll be sheltered behind Monahan and he'll have Backlund and Stajan to show him the ropes.

It'll be interesting to see the difference between when Bennett is asked to play hard minutes and when Hartley takes the shackles off.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by heep223

Here we go again, comparing RFAs to UFAs...

Unfortunately there is not one salary cap for UFA's and a separate one for RFA's.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by heep223

Here we go again, comparing RFAs to UFAs...

But Sutter was a to-be UFA.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

But Sutter was a to-be UFA.

Now I'm all confused. Strike my posts from the record until further notice!

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by Meers

Yawn. The numbers are in-line with what players like Lars Eller, Sean Couturier, and Artem Anisimov received on recent contract extensions. Like it or not, high-end third-line centres get paid roughly this amount for their unrestricted free agent seasons.

Anisimov, and especially Couturier, are far superior to Sutter. He should be thanking the gods that his last name is Sutter.

[FlamesPuck12]

Surprised no one posted this here.

To add to the fun:

General Fanager
‏@generalfanager
Sutter gets $1M signing bonus each yr, full NTC first 3 yrs, modified NTC final 2 yrs (15 teams). Also gets a full NTC added to current yr

[Benched]

man those NTC's really handicap a team. I'd be so loathe to hand them out as a GM.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Wait, they changed his existing current year's contract?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Wait, they changed his existing current year's contract?

Under the new CBA, if a player signs a contract extension that includes a No-Trade or No-Move clause, that clause can be retroactively added to his existing contract as well (if the player is eligible to have such a clause on his contract).

[Strange Brew]

If you're handing out an NTC, the team should be negotiating some kind of break on the AAV. They didn't get that.