Iginla leads Avs in scoring after 70 games

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You missed the context. Even when Iginla was here all Tinordi ever did was hate on him. He had no interest in the topic and came in and posted a useless gif. There are people who are indifferent, and that's fine. But there are a handful of people here who hated the guy all through his career here which is both sad and odd. Some people just live to hate.

While on the topic, I wouldn't say you do that with this topic, but you do it with just about everything in general. So if you're unsure of what a hater is, you can look no further than the mirror.

Cripes man. Give it a rest. If you have problems with posters then put them on ignore. Attacking like this isn't acceptable for the site.
It doesn't add anything and just de-rails threads. So put these guys you have such a problem with on ignore, or at minimum, stop posting about them.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Bluntly, Occam's Razor.

Iggy wants to win a Cup. He knew it wasn't going to happen in Calgary. He knew the team was ready to move on. He knew the Flames needed to rebuild and that his trade would help that. He gave a list of teams he would go to. That list was greater than one for a reason.

Like I said in that thread that was quoted - Iggy very clearly wanted to go to Pittsburgh first. But people - yourself included - appear to be taking one comment out of context to invent nefarious intent. Lets assume the first parts of getbak's timeline of events is accurate for the most part (I still haven't seen a citation of that last statement, the linked thread doesn't support it). Feaster tells Iginla's agent they have a deal with Boston. Agent asks if there is a good offer from the Pens. Feaster says yes. That is where the "we don't have a deal with Boston" part becomes relevant. Because he wanted Pittsburgh and the opportunity was there.

What you are arguing is that Jarome Iginla would have honestly chosen to refuse any trade at all, despite giving a list with multiple teams, and deny himself an opportunity to play for the Cup - with a Boston team that had recently won it no less. And for what purpose? To spite the Flames? Why? He's spiting himself in that scenario as well. Iggy looks out for number 1, but to believe that he would lie to the Flames about his list and then refuse to waive anyway if the Pens didn't make a credible offer assigns a level of pettiness, spite and selfishness which would argue that literally everything ever written or said about the guy is a lie.

Incidentally, a couple quotes from an AP article (paid subscription required) right after the trade:





Do you honestly believe that choice he was referring to was "Pittsburgh or no playoffs" rather than "Pittsburgh or Boston"?

I don't know - but would it have been smart to take that risk and call his bluff?
I don't think it would have.
If he didn't want to go anywhere BUT Pitt he should have said that from the start. Instead he put Feaster in a position where he would look like a chump - something Feaster was perfectly capable of doing without Iginla's help.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Cripes man. Give it a rest. If you have problems with posters then put them on ignore. Attacking like this isn't acceptable for the site.
It doesn't add anything and just de-rails threads. So put these guys you have such a problem with on ignore, or at minimum, stop posting about them.

I don't really see the attacks. I mean, how many wanted Regehr back after he was gone and washed up?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by heep223

Well, yes. I wouldn't want to hang my employer out to dry and I would consider my employer's interests.

I think what you're meaning to say is that everybody's primary interest is themselves, but saying that nobody cares about their employer's interests is a pretty broad generalization and not at all accurate IMO.

Yeah fair enough I can accept that, but when the employee's interests and the employer's interests are at cross purposes the employee will general "look after themselves"

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't know - but would it have been smart to take that risk and call his bluff?
I don't think it would have.
If he didn't want to go anywhere BUT Pitt he should have said that from the start. Instead he put Feaster in a position where he would look like a chump - something Feaster was perfectly capable of doing without Iginla's help.

That's my point - I don't think it was a bluff. Every version of Feaster talking to the agent I have seen involves the agent asking if there was a "credible" offer with the Pens. Credible being key. IIRC, Iggy even commented after the trade that he didn't think the Pens would still be in the market after Morrow went there, so he wasn't exactly on a "Pittsburgh or bust" bandwagon.

Sure, when told that Pittsburgh was making an offer the Flames liked, he clamped down to control his destiny. But there is nothing that suggests he would have refused a trade to one of the other teams otherwise.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

That's my point - I don't think it was a bluff. Every version of Feaster talking to the agent I have seen involves the agent asking if there was a "credible" offer with the Pens. Credible being key. IIRC, Iggy even commented after the trade that he didn't think the Pens would still be in the market after Morrow went there, so he wasn't exactly on a "Pittsburgh or bust" bandwagon.

Sure, when told that Pittsburgh was making an offer the Flames liked, he clamped down to control his destiny. But there is nothing that suggests he would have refused a trade to one of the other teams otherwise.

Except that reportedly his agent told the Flames he would be happy to pay out the season in Calgary if a deal with Pitt could not be finalized.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I don't really see the attacks. I mean, how many wanted Regehr back after he was gone and washed up?

He doesn't mean attacks on Iginla, he means attacks on other posters.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't know - but would it have been smart to take that risk and call his bluff?
I don't think it would have.
If he didn't want to go anywhere BUT Pitt he should have said that from the start. Instead he put Feaster in a position where he would look like a chump - something Feaster was perfectly capable of doing without Iginla's help.

You have yet to comment where your change of feeling came in on this topic. A few pages back it was noted you originally said this:

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

This is exactly right.
Iginla exercised the rights he had in his negotiated contract. Don't blame him.
That restricted severely the number of teams that Jay Feaster could deal with and had the expected impact on the return netted. Don't blame him.

No blame here. Just the nature of NTCs.

and have now moved on to calling Iginla a "dink".

What changed?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You have yet to comment where your change of feeling came in on this topic. A few pages back it was noted you originally said this:



and have now moved on to calling Iginla a "dink".

What changed?

I became fat, old and bitter.

EDIT: Honestly I don't have an issue with Iginla. I think he was looking out for himself but he's within his right to do that. But I think it is a myth that somehow he gave the Flames any sort of break during his time here, including at the end. He did what was right for him first and foremost. So the organization owes him nothing, and he owes them nothing. The sentimental stuff and longing for him to get his cup grates on me.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I became fat, old and bitter.

lol, points for honesty I suppose but I think you had it right the first time.

I think Iginla was probably dealing with the sudden realization his time in Calgary was coming to and end and if you remember, the Penguins were beyond red hot that week. I'm sure the more he thought about it (as was his right) that lead him to the conclusion that playing with Crosby (with fond memories of the Golden Goal etc) and going after a cup with a team that looked on a roll was his best bet.

I don't fault him for that at all.

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The sentimental stuff and longing for him to get his cup grates on me.

Well if you're bitter you're bitter but you're seriously are grated by Flames fans wishing one of the most prolific players in franchise history gets a cup?

I personally don't think there's any point in hoping he'll come back in a few years as no one knows what he or the team will look like at that point... but I can't see how anyone who's a Flames fan can look at his career here and not wish him the best. Seems odd. But to each their own.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I want Iginla to win a cup so badly, but it would be a bittersweet feeling if it was with a different team.

That's why I want him back.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

lol, points for honesty I suppose but I think you had it right the first time.

I think Iginla was probably dealing with the sudden realization his time in Calgary was coming to and end and if you remember, the Penguins were beyond red hot that week. I'm sure the more he thought about it (as was his right) that lead him to the conclusion that playing with Crosby (with fond memories of the Golden Goal etc) and going after a cup with a team that looked on a roll was his best bet.

I don't fault him for that at all.




Well if you're bitter you're bitter but you're seriously are grated by Flames fans wishing one of the most prolific players in franchise history gets a cup?

I personally don't think there's any point in hoping he'll come back in a few years as no one knows what he or the team will look like at that point... but I can't see how anyone who's a Flames fan can look at his career here and not wish him the best. Seems odd. But to each their own.

I just have never cared for guys that chase the cup in their later years. It drove me crazy when Bourque went to the Avs - played 2 seasons - got his cup and then they retired his frickin number.
I think what is great about sports is that not every player gets a cup. Great players miss out.
I admit I really enjoyed watching Regehr get his - he was a guy that I always liked and I thought he was bang on when he was pushing the team to play a certain way.
I wouldn't be upset if Iginla wins his cup. But I wouldn't really celebrate it either.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Except that reportedly his agent told the Flames he would be happy to pay out the season in Calgary if a deal with Pitt could not be finalized.

And I haven't seen a source that supports that claim.

Even if we were to accept it as true - when would such a statement have been made? Before being informed that there was a credible offer with Pittsburgh, or after?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And I haven't seen a source that supports that claim.

Even if we were to accept it as true - when would such a statement have been made? Before being informed that there was a credible offer with Pittsburgh, or after?

You can choose to believe it or not. I think it happened. You can choose to believe something different.
I think he supplied a list, then when confronted with a chance to go to Boston, him or his agent stated they wanted Pitt and said if that wasn't possible they would play out the season.
I think they exerted all the control they had. As was their right.

We will never know for sure. But that it was I personally believe happened. Again you can choose to believe otherwise.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Now we just need to somehow crap on Lanny and our work here will be done.................Well I guess we could go hard after Peter Maher seeing as we already have the " talk about how Flames legends didn't do enough " thread already going.

And Bearcat. Just not quite good enough..........

Seriously people. We were lucky to be able to watch those stars in our building as long as we did. Show some gratitude. Oh I almost forgot that we also hate our building, so never mind about that.

Um, I'm just saying I'm glad we didn't get Scrivens (you know...cause he's a crappy 'tender)

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And I haven't seen a source that supports that claim.

Even if we were to accept it as true - when would such a statement have been made? Before being informed that there was a credible offer with Pittsburgh, or after?

If he was willing to go to Boston, and Flames management wanted him to go to Boston, why didn't he go to Boston?

Answer: Because he did not want to go to Boston.

From that perspective, there IS no other option. Would Iginla have held out and left as a free agent? Maybe, maybe not. What's clear though is that he wasn't going to Boston and no one else was making a credible offer.

When Morrow was dealt, he was presented with what Dallas management felt were EQUAL returns, and he was free to pick where he wanted to go.

In the Iginla scenario, Calgary clearly had a preference on where they wanted him to go and when presented to his agent, were told he wasn't going there.

If you can't see how easily Iginla and his agent leveraged Calgary into trading him to the destination he wanted, I don't think there's anything that will convince you.

You don't need a quote from his agent to see how this played out.

As for playing out the season in Calgary and when him and his agent would have informed the team of this, I'd say it was probably during the previous off season where they made it clear they were not interested in negotiating an extension and that Iginla was going to test free agency regardless.

Feaster/King/Edwards had at least a year, probably longer, to know that his bags were packed and he likely wasn't going to be back. They attempted a last ditch effort to convince him to stay (attempting to trade for O'Reilly) but none of it worked.

[Machiavelli]

Are there any new, interesting perspectives on this?


....scans last few pages....


No, just the usual suspects with bitter pills firmly entrenched in the esophagus.


Good to know.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

Um, I'm just saying I'm glad we didn't get Scrivens (you know...cause he's a crappy 'tender)

Ooops. I thought you were complaining about Kiprusoff costing the Flames a draft pick.

I am also happy that that trade didn't go through. I have really enjoyed Scrivezina get lit up. Can't wait to see which career back up they bring in next.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Ooops. I thought you were complaining about Kiprusoff costing the Flames a draft pick.

I am also happy that that trade didn't go through. I have really enjoyed Scrivezina get lit up. Can't wait to see which career back up they bring in next.

I dont know, at the end of the day I'm cool with that. Theres a lot to be said about being considered an organization that cares about its players as opposed to the clownshow up north that makes injured players play or trades injured players without disclosure or...well the list could go on and on.

[IgiTang]

For a cup, Iginla will re-sign with the Flames and play 3rd line minutes in 2 or 3 years or will go to Edmonton to play with McDavid. Book it.