Iginla leads Avs in scoring after 70 games

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by polak

Picked to do much more and crashed out in the first round. I don't look fondly on the Iggy years outside of '04 because not much good came out of them.

I think people were just so thirsty for any success after such a long era of garbage that we view the Iginla years as a great time even though most teams would consider it a failure.

Interesting how people say it's Iggy's team when it's really Sutter who basically pulled the strings to build the team the way he feels fit. It was always been about the big defence, Kipper, throw in a few second/third line centers for Iggy, and his nepotist coaching staffs he brought in over the years. Maybe people should start throwing Conroy under the bus for abdicating his role to Iggy. It's not his fault to retain captaincy over the years. The Flames organization could've made Regehr as captain as well, but didn't. There are too many times Iggy has put the whole team on his shoulds, yet he still gets the brunt of it from the fans.

[Gaskal]

I think all this plethora of emotional resentment or nostalgia is really clouding up the picture. It's unnecessary and it has little to do with any future dealings between the Flames organization and Jarome. Jarome did this, Jarome did that...but it's all in the past.

Let's say for the sake of argument that Treliving does have a talk with Iginla and word gets out.

People can gush all they want about the idea of "Omg Iggy is coming home" and "lets get him a Cup" and blah blah blah with starry eyes (or complaining etc), but cancelling out all that emotion stuff, Iginla is still looking out for himself at the end of the day.

Do you think if they happen to sit down that Treliving will go "Remember that time when the Flames almost traded you to Boston"? Of course not. There would be zero emotional influence in the dealings from previous experiences. Arrangements between the two would be practically strangers meeting. The management and coaching has undergone a pretty massive turnover from before. New GM Treliving, Burke is on top, his old friends Conroy and Gelinas are AGM and PP/PK coach respectively. The players themselves have undergone a massive turnover too, it's a completely new team now and it's Giordano's team.

As I've pointed out before, the deal would have to make sense to both sides. Fortunately, there happens to be some mutual benefits involved if the cards fall right.

Mutual business positives from coming back to Calgary after his Avs gig:

-Term he wants is fairly short (Treliving doesn't want to commit a lot of term to vets)
-Money he wants will be north of $5M though (Treliving can offer that reasonably, with a lot of vet salary off the books for 2017-18)
-Wants to be in a top 6 role (Treliving might be looking for a top 6 RW replacement for Hudler that can still score but is ok with a short-ish term)
-Wants good linemates so that he has nice stats (Replacing Hudler on Johnny & Mony's line)

So the possibility is there to have something that works for both Flames organization and Iginla from a purely business perspective in 2 years. I don't think he'll be expecting more than 2 years of term at his age on his next contract. It could work.

If Treliving and Iggy are able to hammer out a deal that both like, that's when it's safe to let all the nostalgic feel-good stuff come back.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by polak

I think people were just so thirsty for any success after such a long era of garbage .

Umm, kind of like this season?

[polak]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Umm, kind of like this season?

This season was supposed to be crap. The Flames were picked to win the cup how many times from '05-'08? Felt like every year at least one publication picked them.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Was it "clearly" that way? How so?
I mean maybe he would have - maybe not. Maybe Feaster should have called his bluff. But that carried risk.
As I stated already, the return doesn't matter to me much because for the most part I view it as six of one, half dozen of the other. So I think Feaster did the right thing to make sure he got the 1st, instead of risking getting nothing, or far less.
It is about how Iggy handled it. And I think he handled it like a bit of a dink.

Bluntly, Occam's Razor.

Iggy wants to win a Cup. He knew it wasn't going to happen in Calgary. He knew the team was ready to move on. He knew the Flames needed to rebuild and that his trade would help that. He gave a list of teams he would go to. That list was greater than one for a reason.

Like I said in that thread that was quoted - Iggy very clearly wanted to go to Pittsburgh first. But people - yourself included - appear to be taking one comment out of context to invent nefarious intent. Lets assume the first parts of getbak's timeline of events is accurate for the most part (I still haven't seen a citation of that last statement, the linked thread doesn't support it). Feaster tells Iginla's agent they have a deal with Boston. Agent asks if there is a good offer from the Pens. Feaster says yes. That is where the "we don't have a deal with Boston" part becomes relevant. Because he wanted Pittsburgh and the opportunity was there.

What you are arguing is that Jarome Iginla would have honestly chosen to refuse any trade at all, despite giving a list with multiple teams, and deny himself an opportunity to play for the Cup - with a Boston team that had recently won it no less. And for what purpose? To spite the Flames? Why? He's spiting himself in that scenario as well. Iggy looks out for number 1, but to believe that he would lie to the Flames about his list and then refuse to waive anyway if the Pens didn't make a credible offer assigns a level of pettiness, spite and selfishness which would argue that literally everything ever written or said about the guy is a lie.

Incidentally, a couple quotes from an AP article (paid subscription required) right after the trade:

It wasn't an easy decision for the 35-year-old, who is Calgary's all-time leading scorer with 1,095 career points. Yet Iginla knew the struggling Flames needed to rebuild and understood he could help get the process started if he agreed to be traded.

"When it comes down to the choice I had, one or the other, it's really hard to pass up the opportunity to play on a team with Sid and (Evgeni) Malkin," Iginla said.

Do you honestly believe that choice he was referring to was "Pittsburgh or no playoffs" rather than "Pittsburgh or Boston"?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by polak

This season was supposed to be crap. The Flames were picked to win the cup how many times from '05-'08? Felt like every year at least one publication picked them.

From 06-08 you mean, no season in 2005. And between those remaining seasons, I don't know, one or twice?

And yeah, those seasons had little to do with missing the playoffs for from 1997-2003. You're saying all those good feelings during the playoffs were because there was a long stretch where we didn't make it...

No one was enjoying 2008 or 2009 because of feelings from 5, 6, 7+ years ago.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Do you honestly believe that choice he was referring to was "Pittsburgh or no playoffs" rather than "Pittsburgh or Boston"?

I think that's the problem though.

He saw it as a choice, while the Flames and I guess recent history would suggest that a team can trade the player to the team they choose that is on his list.

Calgary talked to the 3-5 teams and they thought the Boston deal was best, and decided Boston.

Iginla's camp (from reports) came along and said we'd rather go to Pittsburgh, essentially taking the list from 3-5 down to 1 in an instant.

I think that's the beef.

[undercoverbrother]

Wow, this thread is giving me a head ache.


Iggy, like all of us was looking out for himself. I think EE posted that this is a business, he is an independent contractor.

Is there one of us on this board that would think twice about our employers best interests if/when it came to looking for a new job?

Can we as a fan base not move on?

[polak]

I'm not blaming him for his decision but just like an employer might react, I still think it's a dick move.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Wow, this thread is giving me a head ache.


Iggy, like all of us was looking out for himself. I think EE posted that this is a business, he is an independent contractor.

Is there one of us on this board that would think twice about our employers best interests if/when it came to looking for a new job?

Can we as a fan base not move on?

Move on, as in not pining away for his storybook return?

I hope so

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think that's the problem though.

He saw it as a choice, while the Flames and I guess recent history would suggest that a team can trade the player to the team they choose that is on his list.

Calgary talked to the 3-5 teams and they thought the Boston deal was best, and decided Boston.

Iginla's camp (from reports) came along and said we'd rather go to Pittsburgh, essentially taking the list from 3-5 down to 1 in an instant.

I think that's the beef.

Next time get the 3-5 in writing. Hard to fault of guy for enforcing the no movement clause that's in his contract. I'm not even upset at Kipper for using the no trade clause that wasn't in his contract.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Move on, as in not pining away for his storybook return?

I hope so

I agree 100%.

[Finger Cookin]

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think that's the problem though.

He saw it as a choice, while the Flames and I guess recent history would suggest that a team can trade the player to the team they choose that is on his list.

Calgary talked to the 3-5 teams and they thought the Boston deal was best, and decided Boston.

Iginla's camp (from reports) came along and said we'd rather go to Pittsburgh, essentially taking the list from 3-5 down to 1 in an instant.

I think that's the beef.

And Ken King admitted the organization erred by not getting in writing ahead of time that Iginla had waived to anyone on his list. But the fact remains that Iginla chose Pittsburgh only after asking and having it confirmed that the Pens made a competitive offer.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Next time get the 3-5 in writing. Hard to fault of guy for enforcing the no movement clause that's in his contract. I'm not even upset at Kipper for using the no trade clause that wasn't in his contract.

Yeah, it's the organization that looks like a group of dummies, not Iginla.

Iginla always looked out for number one. In a cutthroat business like hockey, that's his primary responsibility.

He gave a list of 4 teams, 3 came back with actual offers. I think, faced with that scenario, you have to be double-dumb to not go to him and say "ok, will you waive for these 3 teams?" and if he says yes, you ask for it in writing. It's Standard Operating Procedure within the CBA for a player with trade limitations.

That the management team admitted as quickly as a day after the fact that they should have gotten his list in writing is pretty much the exclamation point on that.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Next time get the 3-5 in writing. Hard to fault of guy for enforcing the no movement clause that's in his contract. I'm not even upset at Kipper for using the no trade clause that wasn't in his contract.

Iginla had absolutely no obligation to sign anything like that though.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

While on the topic, I wouldn't say you do that with this topic, but you do it with just about everything in general. So if you're unsure of what a hater is, you can look no further than the mirror.

^^^


That may be true, but don't be that person. Should've bit your tongue on this part. This part of your post reeks. The fact that you had to throw in a personal attack like this at the end on somebody reflects poorly on you. You're stooping to the haters' levels at the very least. Don't be that way, unless you are one.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...the-flaming-c/

The article goes on to say that the Flames would have received a 2nd and Scrivens for Kipper...whew thanks Kipper!

[heep223]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Is there one of us on this board that would think twice about our employers best interests if/when it came to looking for a new job?

Well, yes. I wouldn't want to hang my employer out to dry and I would consider my employer's interests.

I think what you're meaning to say is that everybody's primary interest is themselves, but saying that nobody cares about their employer's interests is a pretty broad generalization and not at all accurate IMO.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

The article goes on to say that the Flames would have received a 2nd and Scrivens for Kipper...whew thanks Kipper!

Now we just need to somehow crap on Lanny and our work here will be done.................Well I guess we could go hard after Peter Maher seeing as we already have the " talk about how Flames legends didn't do enough " thread already going.

And Bearcat. Just not quite good enough..........

Seriously people. We were lucky to be able to watch those stars in our building as long as we did. Show some gratitude. Oh I almost forgot that we also hate our building, so never mind about that.