Flames 2014 Summer Development Camp July 4 - July 9

[djsFlames]

Maybe it's because of the 500 hulking free agents they brought in?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Maybe it's because of the 500 hulking free agents they brought in?

At the expense of the players they drafted and spent money developing? I would think/hope not.

[Table 5]

You can only look at so many people at one time. What exactly are you going to learn from Baertstchi, Knight, Monahan, Reinhart, etc. that you don't already know, or won't find out in training camp?

Spread your attention too thin and you won't have good insight on anyone.

[Enoch Root]

I think it's more a case of the constraints of numbers

Too many players there and some will simply get buried.

If Monahan, Baertschi, Agostino, Hanowski, Khight, Granlund, Reinhart etc are all there, it becomes much more difficult to get a good look at the younger, newer guys.

The Flames know these players, they want to see the new ones.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Maybe it's because of the 500 hulking free agents they brought in?

300? Sparta?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

If they do the same thing as last year, the boys will be hitting the Stampede on Monday night

This is your moment to shine, junior gold-diggers of Calgary!

[Roof-Daddy]

Man those are some BIG invites. Huge hockey players. Hopefully find a diamond in the rough or two.

[dammage79]

That Czech one seems legit.

[SuperMatt18]

Don't really think it's a 2 camp thing, Arnold and Gaudreau are both at more than 2 camps.

Think the breakdown is pro vs prospect.

Any of the players that played a full pro season last year, AHL or NHL, didn't get the invite.

I like that technique. The guys that were already in the organization should already be in close contact and have an idea of what they need to do.

This puts the focus on guys that are outside the Flames organization and are developing in different places that are not controlled by the Flames.

[bubbsy]

exactly. i don't see a point for guys who have played in the Pros (ie. AHL/NHL) coming to these camps.

Baertchi/monahan/reinhart/granlund/ramage/wotherspoon/ferland/knight... etc, etc, played with the heat/ECHL last year, and no surprise they aren't at this camp (other than ferland i believe).

[#-3]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Love that Johnny will attend his 4th camp while guys like Sven who've attended 2 were told to stay home.

Gillies and McDonald will be intriguing.

I have a feeling that it has allot to do with Sven already having two seasons of full time contact with our current coaching staff. While Johnny has only had a few months + the previous 3 camps.

Maybe they want to avoid Redundancy for guys that have already spent allot of time with coaches employed by the Flames.

[bubbsy]

finally flames player/prospect related stories coming up this week...

Here's one on klimchuk:

Regarding camp with new management/new prospects:

“I’m really excited for it,” says the 28th pick of the 2013 NHL draft. “Whenever you get a chance to make an impression on anyone in the organization — especially all the new faces — it’s an opportunity. Going into camp, that’s what I’m looking to do — make an impression.
“You can’t make the team out of development camp, but you can definitely show what you can do.”
At last summer’s camp, there had been no Brad Pascall, no Burke, no Treliving.
And no Sam Bennett for that matter.
Or Hunter Smith. Or Brandon Hickey.
So there’s a desire to re-establish the pecking order.
“Whenever there’s new players joining the organization,” says Klimchuk, “you want to see how you stack up. And having Treliving there — he probably hasn’t seen a lot of us play in person lately — that’s something I’m definitely looking forward to ... showing them that, come training camp in September, I’m looking to play a big role.”

On bennet:

The forwards skated on the national under-18 side last spring and, in fact, had been roommates on the gold-winning entry at the world championship in Sochi, Russia.
“I know him quite well,” says Klimchuk, a left-winger. “A great person and an even better player.”
So when his employers chose Bennett?
“I was really excited,” he says. “For the Flames to get a guy like that, who I am pretty familiar with? It’s very beneficial because you can skip the introduction.”
Asked for a snapshot of his chum, Klimchuk doesn’t hesitate.
“Real good all-around player — he does it all. He’s someone who doesn’t like to get pushed around. He can contribute on all sides of the puck. Good with the puck. Good away from the puck. It shows why he was the fourth-overall pick. He could have been the first-overall pick — he’s that good.”

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[Calgary4LIfe]

Will be interesting to see how some of these invites do. I remember Van Brabant turned some heads at camp last year, and was then signed after his college season ended. Carroll was drafted this past draft, after attending last year's camp.

Zejdl is a very interesting invite. Don't see too many Europeans who aren't drafted get invited and actually make it to a camp. I wonder if this was something to do with Todd Woodcraft?

Interesting note - Bourne was born in South Africa. If Bourne gets signed by Calgary, and manages to score 18 pts, he will overtake Kolzig as South Africa's all-time scoring leader in the NHL. Olaf Kolzig.

Should be one heck of a prospect camp. Really looking to see how Jankowski looks out there, along with Klimchuk, on Group A.

Wonder if they purposefully put Kanzig and Smith on opposite teams. I remember Kanzig and Ferland were getting a bit chippy with one another for a bit last camp. Hopefully they won't end up in blows - would suck to have one suffer an injury and impact the rest of the season.

I don't know about anyone else, but one of the prospects I am most wanting to see is Wolf - is he really capable, or will he just be AHL fodder? Really hoping he skates well and plays well.

Very disappointed Rafikov wasn't able to get his visa. Was really looking forward to seeing how he compares to some of our other physical and chippy d-men like Sieloff.

[neo45]

Volek probably scouted the Czech kid, if he is still with us. I think Woodcroft focuses more on Russia if I am not mistaken

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by neo45

Volek probably scouted the Czech kid, if he is still with us. I think Woodcroft focuses more on Russia if I am not mistaken

Woodcraft was supposed to help focus on Russia, but IIRC, was going to be something like the 'director of European scouting' (might be off on the title, but at least close to the job function). I actually haven't heard of Volek, but if scouting involves the Czech republic, you are probably right then!

[Enoch Root]

The Bourne Identity:

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Interesting note - Bourne was born in South Africa.

The Bourne Ultimatum:

If Bourne gets signed by Calgary, and manages to score 18 pts,

The Bourne Supremecy:

he will overtake Kolzig as South Africa's all-time scoring leader in the NHL. Olaf Kolzig.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The Bourne Identity:

The Bourne Ultimatum:

The Bourne Supremecy:

The Bourne Legacy:

Greatest South African Hockey Player of All Time.

[Da_Chief]

More info on invitees

Scott Allen
http://www.uscho.com/stats/player/mi...llen/#20132014
Showed good chemistry with Matt Bailey (signed with Ducks). Half his points came playing with him. Goal scorer.

Brendan Bell
http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/11/28/...-role-up-front
Former teammate of Monahan. Models his game after Shayne Corson and Darcy Tucker. Agitator!

Damian Bourne
Played on a really bad team last year (leading scorer had 44 points).
Fought above prospect Bell


Adam Chapie
http://www.uscho.com/stats/player/mi...apie/#20132014
Played with sought after UFA Folin last year. Skilled and plays the penalty kill as well.

more later...

[cral12]

Originally Posted by cral12

Also posted in Back Burner section of forum, but in case you don't peruse that area with some updates where some of the lads are going to camp (Coyotes & Red Wings with ton of invitees)

With City of Brotherly Love NHL draft in the books anyone hear if Flames have any development camp additions?

My invite wish list include:

Rihards Bukarts
Luke Philp
Reid Gardner (going to Wild camp)
Gavin Bayreuther
Vlad Tkachev
Tyson Baillie
Scott Savage, Boston College
Pius Suter
Joe Hicketts (going to Red Wings camp)
Ivan Nikolishin
Nick Wolff
Phil Baltisberger
Andrew Mangiapane (Coyotes camp)
Cody Donaghey (Leafs camp)
Colby Cave (going to Coyotes camp)

Don't seem to typically see Euros (correct me if I'm wrong), but invite:
Joni Tuulola
Sebastian Aho
Lawrence Pilut
Leon Bristedt

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Updated Euro info:

Some info when it comes to Euros (playing overseas) and invitations to summer development camps:

For a European player, in the past there have been cases where there were visa issues complicating ability to attend the summer camp, even for a drafted player.

"The CBA (8.9) rules are different for signing a European prospect in the off-season if the player is younger and did not play in North America for the entire prior season. As we have seen in the past, with Nathan Walker/WSH and Tomas Hyka/PHI two high profile examples, some players attend but are ineligible to be signed. Does not prevent team from inviting or a player from attending, but it does change the situation for younger European prospects who did not play all of last season in North America."

For reference: CBA 8.9 Eligibility for Play in the League

No Player shall be eligible for play in the League unless he:
(a) had been claimed in the last Entry Draft, or was ineligible for claim under Section 8.4; or (b) had been eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft, but was unclaimed,
and:
(i)had played hockey in North America the prior season and was age 20 or older at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the next NHL Season.
(ii) had played hockey in North America the prior season and was under age 20 at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the Major Juniors season (except that if such Player had signed an NHL try-out form, which was signed and registered with the League during the aforesaid time period, then the deadline for signing and registering with the League an SPC with such try-out Club shall be the commencement of the NHL Season).
(iii) had played hockey outside of North America in the prior season and was age 22 or older at the time of the last Entry Draft and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and the commencement of the next NHL Season.
(iv) The words "eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft" in subparagraph (b) above mean "eligible for claim in all rounds of the last Entry Draft." The words "the prior season" in subparagraph (i), (ii) and (iii) above mean "a full season prior to the last Entry Draft."

Well, nobody from my wish list - whaddya gonna do. Would've liked to have seen 2 or 3 from this list.

[AC]

Mother. ####er.

Not only am I only going to be able to watch Saturday morning's group, but its the afternoon group that has Sam Bennett.

If they are streaming the scrimmage I may be watching it while on vacation. First world problem, I know.