Will it be Peter the Roman? The 112th pope since St. Malachy's prophecy.
Pope Francis took the name of St. Francis of Assisi whose complete name was Francesco Giovanni di Pietro Bernardone. "Pietro" means "Peter" or "Petrus" and he is born of Italian parents.
I also believe that this generation of popes and cardinals is the one that is going to make these changes.
You're much more optimistic about that than I am. Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI were both conservative traditionalists who stacked the College of Cardinals with other conservative traditionalists. I don't see the kind of radical modernization movement the Church so desperately needs coming with this lot in charge.
While I don't expect there to be major changed during his time as Pope, I do think the Catholic Church is slowly entering a transition period (for the better)
Isn't this the same man that spoke out against same sex couples addopting, same sex marriage, birth control?
I am not sure the church is entering a transition period.
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You're much more optimistic about that than I am. Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI were both conservative traditionalists who stacked the College of Cardinals with other conservative traditionalists. I don't see the kind of radical modernization movement the Church so desperately needs coming with this lot in charge.
Actually funny story, it was a mistype, replace is with no way in hell
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I also believe that this generation of popes and cardinals is the one that is going to make these changes.
I also think that it would be cool to have woman priests, especially hot ones. And that priests should be allowed to get married, however if they aspire to a higher office they can still stay married but take a vow of celibacy like they do in the Greek Orthodox.
This is something that has always confused me. What does marriage, to keep this focused, traditional marriage, have to do with a person's ability to believe in, work for, and teach "god's word". Why should an individual need to be celibate to hold a high station in the church. I find it very odd.
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This is something that has always confused me. What does marriage, to keep this focused, traditional marriage, have to do with a person's ability to believe in, work for, and teach "god's word". Why should an individual need to be celibate to hold a high station in the church. I find it very odd.
Its the ultimate sacrifice, your basically married to god and he's supposed to be the beneficiary of your ultimate unconditional love.
Also since in effect your married to god, and sex in the church eyes should only happen during a marriage, well unless you can find a way to get it on with god your boned.
BTW could god create a condom so powerful that only he himself could wear it?
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I do believe that there is a wide brush condemnation of Catholicism that's a bit odorous and actually prevents positive action from happening at a church level. I also believe that there is a tremendous politically correct double standard being applied to organized religion.
I agree with your post 100%. It pretty much describes me as well.
On the quoted part, while I agree that the Catholic Church has things that need to change and atone for, a lot the hate for the Church is based on centuries old political conflicts in Europe and subsequent indoctrination followed by intolerance. A lot of people who hate the Catholic Church, do so because their parents did, and their parents before them. The English did their best to spread this while colonizing 2/3rd of the planet.
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Funny story, celibacy wasn't originally part of the deal, Priests got married all the time back in the early days of the church. However the church put a stop to that when Priests would die and will church property to the widow and children.
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Its the ultimate sacrifice, your basically married to god and he's supposed to be the beneficiary of your ultimate unconditional love.
Also since in effect your married to god, and sex in the church eyes should only happen during a marriage, well unless you can find a way to get it on with god your boned.
BTW could god create a condom so powerful that only he himself could wear it?
What a ridiculous concept.
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On the quoted part, while I agree that the Catholic Church has things that need to change and atone for, a lot the hate for the Church is based on centuries old political conflicts in Europe and subsequent indoctrination followed by intolerance. A lot of people who hate the Catholic Church, do so because their parents did, and their parents before them. The English did their best to spread this while colonizing 2/3rd of the planet.
I guess it depends on the company one keeps. The people I know who are most staunchly opposed to the Church are those who, like me, were raised in good Catholic families and were indoctrinated from birth to accept the divine authority of the Pope and other church officials.
Until about the age of 20, I attended mass every Sunday, accepted communion, confessed my sins, the whole deal. I was following in the footsteps of my parents, and their parents, and their parents going back many generations. It was only after I became an educated young adult and started looking at the world objectively that I made a conscious choice to reject the Church's BS.
St Francis Assisi was called to rebuild a church that was in ruins.
FWIW we spent the better part of my religion class this morning talking about Pope Francis. My prof (who has a way more educated opinion than me) believes the name is very significant and that he recognizes there needs to be serious change.
He believes Pope Francis will start to crack down on the corruption and start some reforms (though real change may not be seen for years down the road) .
Undercover Brother - yes it's the same guy. I don't think we will see a change on the official stance against abortion or same section marriage at this time. I do think the Pope will put an emphasis on serving the people of the world (serving the poor) and his apparent humbleness will be a breath of fresh air compared to Benedict.
Why does the church need to embrace Birth Control?
Outside of marriage the church preaches absitinence... so if outside of marriage there is no need for birth control or comdoms. If you are going to brake the rules on sex why are you going to draw the line at using condoms
Inside marriage the church allows condoms for the prevention of disease.
So we get to the family planning argument which isn't really a question about birth control. That question becomes should the church change its doctorine and state that children should be a choice? There are definately benefits to encouraging famliy planning amoung the poor.
The whole argument that the church is causing a rampent spread of aids in africa is false. If people followed church doctrine on sex aids would not spread rapidly. If people choose not to follow church doctrin on sex why are they following it on condoms. It doesn't make sense.
The whole argument that the church is causing a rampent spread of aids in africa is false. If people followed church doctrine on sex aids would not spread rapidly. If people choose not to follow church doctrin on sex why are they following it on condoms. It doesn't make sense.
Its widely known that Catholic priests have been spreading misinformation on the use of condoms on that they are not effective and such utter nonsense. But I'll let Stephen Fry explain it better.
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Single women should be flocking to Vatican City, the City is 94% male and all of these guys are single. Wasting their time on internet dating sites, get down to the Holy See.
Why does the church need to embrace Birth Control?
Outside of marriage the church preaches absitinence... so if outside of marriage there is no need for birth control or comdoms. If you are going to brake the rules on sex why are you going to draw the line at using condoms
Inside marriage the church allows condoms for the prevention of disease.
So we get to the family planning argument which isn't really a question about birth control. That question becomes should the church change its doctorine and state that children should be a choice? There are definately benefits to encouraging famliy planning amoung the poor.
The whole argument that the church is causing a rampent spread of aids in africa is false. If people followed church doctrine on sex aids would not spread rapidly. If people choose not to follow church doctrin on sex why are they following it on condoms. It doesn't make sense.
Holy sh%% . . . . run
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Why does the church need to embrace Birth Control?
Outside of marriage the church preaches absitinence... so if outside of marriage there is no need for birth control or comdoms. If you are going to brake the rules on sex why are you going to draw the line at using condoms
Inside marriage the church allows condoms for the prevention of disease.
So we get to the family planning argument which isn't really a question about birth control. That question becomes should the church change its doctorine and state that children should be a choice? There are definately benefits to encouraging famliy planning amoung the poor.
The whole argument that the church is causing a rampent spread of aids in africa is false. If people followed church doctrine on sex aids would not spread rapidly. If people choose not to follow church doctrin on sex why are they following it on condoms. It doesn't make sense.
Geez the church was more fun in my day, when you went through councilling they were ok with drawing the Hawaiian Islands as a viable Birth control method.
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The thing I have never liked about the Catholic Church is the top down imposition of rigid beliefs. For that reason I attend the United Church in which the power resides at the congregation level, and each individual is allowed the freedom to form their own beliefs.
I know our church has been criticized for having gone too far in this direction, however, the way I see it, we all see the world from different angles, and one should not expect everyone to arrive at the same place as far as beliefs are concerned.
In this respect, I can sit in church with many people who I know full well, may not share my specific beliefs. However, in spite of the various differences, I know in my heart, none of us would wish our beliefs to intentionally harm anyone.
I recall one day, when the subject of homosexuality came up, an elderly member stood up and said, "I think these people can be cured of this". A young doctor then stood up and said (if I recall correctly), "During the last 20 years we have good medical evidence to suggest that homosexuality is inherited, and therefore is not something that can be cured".
I believe we were one of the first churches to change our stance on homosexuality. And since then, many other churches have followed.
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