The Official Fire Feaster Thread

[djsFlames]

It all depends on how you view this trade.

Is this the Flames getting 2 mid level prospects and a 1st round pick as opposed to inevitably nothing, with a free agent Iginla walking in the summer?

OR

Is this the Flames getting less value than desired/warranted for our captain who will re-sign with Pittsburgh, which should have drove up the price further, making it (at initial glance) a total robbery on their part?

OR

Is this the Flames essentially getting 2 mid level prospects and a 1st round pick for nothing more than a 3 month Iginla rental, as he then re-signs with Calgary in the summer after the cup run?


How this trade is received is Completely determined by which of these stances you are on. Truth is though, we were never going to get return that could be considered fair for Jarome Iginla. We speculated above what the reality of it really was. That is Fact.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

and who was the centerpiece of that deal coming back. Wasn't it Horak?
Where is he.
So what has time proven to us Feaster moved nothing because of Sutters blunder for nothing.
Because the intillectual honesty is Horak is not going to be capable to stick in the NHL but is a great AHL player then to this fan he is nothing the NHL Calgary Flames.

It was Erixon. The guy hasn't even come close to playing a full NHL season yet either. What did you expect back as a centre piece in a deal for Erixon?

I get it's frustrating that the team sucks, but trading away Iginla at this point or Reghre weren't going to turn the franchise around in a blink of an eye. Regehr never had that potential, and we needed to trade Iggy 2 or 3 years ago to do a quicker rebuild. I'm as frustrated as you are they didn't chose to do that then, and I'm not sold on Feaster / this ownership group having a clue, but I don't know that things like the Erixon deal should have been expected to be difference makers.

[Manhattanboy]

FGF. Feaster got fleeced.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by browna

What I also found was that the negotiation for an extension according to Feaster (big grain of salt) is that for what Iginla wanted for term and for $ wasn't going to fit. And that they were significantly far apart...basically closing the door on a return (though if he does get that Cup, you never know).

Would be interesting to see what he signs for in the offseason, and how "unreasonable" that would end up being on the Flames payroll...not for Joe Schlub, but for their franchise player. The market may well pay him well, but may also pay him an amount that the Flames could easily afford and justify, even with a rebuild, for a face of the city and franchise.

Especially if Feaster continues to offload more of the bigger names on this team for picks and prospects... JBo, Cammy, Glencross, etc... the result could be cap space that would make it possible to bring back Iggy on a short-term deal. In other words, throwing the fans a bone while the team rebuilds. Of course, it would seem obvious that Iggy would not consider returning unless he has a SC ring already around his finger.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

and who was the centerpiece of that deal coming back. Wasn't it Horak?
Where is he.
So what has time proven to us Feaster moved nothing because of Sutters blunder for nothing.
Because the intillectual honesty is Horak is not going to be capable to stick in the NHL but is a great AHL player then to this fan he is nothing the NHL Calgary Flames.

Has Erixon turned out to be a great defenceman? If he had I could understand your dislike of Horak.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Dion

I feel sorry for the 2 guys. They'll never get a fair shake from fans here.

Wonderboys? Give me a brake!

the reason i said that is i watch ncaa hockey and it is water down candy ass calibre. Take a guy like Johnny Hockey he stands out like crazy i have watched plenty of BC games though i usually watch Big 10.
The overall calibre is still far below AHL, imo its below CHL Jr.
These 2 talented NCAA forwards may stand out amongst a bunch of players that maybe 1% even make the NHL.
They still have to prove themselves in the AHL.
NCAA is a totally different brand of hockey all together.
But it doesn't suprise 1 bit they went this route because that is Weisbrods background NCAA and Jay trusts him. We will just see who is right in 3 years.
But do you really think STH are going to put up with 20 win seasons i don't in fact i know they won't.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Dion

Has Erixon turned out to be a great defenceman? If he had I could understand your dislike of Horak.

no imo he is as good as Butler.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

It was Erixon. The guy hasn't even come close to playing a full NHL season yet either. What did you expect back as a centre piece in a deal for Erixon?

I get it's frustrating that the team sucks, but trading away Iginla at this point or Reghre weren't going to turn the franchise around in a blink of an eye. Regehr never had that potential, and we needed to trade Iggy 2 or 3 years ago to do a quicker rebuild. I'm as frustrated as you are they didn't chose to do that then, and I'm not sold on Feaster / this ownership group having a clue, but I don't know that things like the Erixon deal should have been expected to be difference makers.

no i probably didn't clear my point up.
Erixon situation was a mess Feaster did his best to clean it up.
My point is Feaster is not a guy that can hands down win a big trade. He is fine with these minor deals like the Erixon one for example.
Just wait when Bouwmeester, Tanguay, Glencross, Jee-oh gets dumped. We all feel what draft picks or calibre of prospects Feaster should get back.
I bet Feaster doesn't even come close and Weisbrod will convince him in at least 1 of these deals to more NCAA prospects.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

the reason i said that is i watch ncaa hockey and it is water down candy ass calibre. Take a guy like Johnny Hockey he stands out like crazy i have watched plenty of BC games though i usually watch Big 10.
The overall calibre is still far below AHL, imo its below CHL Jr.
These 2 talented NCAA forwards may stand out amongst a bunch of players that maybe 1% even make the NHL.
They still have to prove themselves in the AHL.
NCAA is a totally different brand of hockey all together.
But it doesn't suprise 1 bit they went this route because that is Weisbrods background NCAA and Jay trusts him. We will just see who is right in 3 years.
But do you really think STH are going to put up with 20 win seasons i don't in fact i know they won't.

NHL stars who emerged from the watered down candy ass ranks of the NCAA.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...the-nhl/page/2

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

the reason i said that is i watch ncaa hockey and it is water down candy ass calibre. Take a guy like Johnny Hockey he stands out like crazy i have watched plenty of BC games though i usually watch Big 10.
The overall calibre is still far below AHL, imo its below CHL Jr.
These 2 talented NCAA forwards may stand out amongst a bunch of players that maybe 1% even make the NHL.
They still have to prove themselves in the AHL.
NCAA is a totally different brand of hockey all together.
But it doesn't suprise 1 bit they went this route because that is Weisbrods background NCAA and Jay trusts him. We will just see who is right in 3 years.
But do you really think STH are going to put up with 20 win seasons i don't in fact i know they won't.

Most STH don't expect the Iginla trade to be the one that turns the franchise around. It's going to take alot more than that. The Iginla trade and rebuild should have started 3 years ago and not today. We waited too long and now the process could be painful for fans.

I agree those 2 players have to prove themselves but at the same time i'm not going to write them off until they've had a chance. Also when your star player gives you a small amount of teams to deal with, it reduces your bargaining power. Plus we don't have the inside info of what players were discussed and how it came down to the 2 prospects.

As for Weisbrod didn't he recommend Gaudreau, Jankowski and Gilles? For me the jury is still out and i'm willing to give Weisbrod some time

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

NHL stars who emerged from the watered down candy ass ranks of the NCAA.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...the-nhl/page/2

I don't even have to look at a cheap parlor trick. Did i say the NCAA produces no one. Of course they do.
Run a list of how many drafted players in the NCAA never even play a season in the NHL.
Your printer will run out of ink.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I don't even have to look at a cheap parlor trick. Did i say the NCAA produces no one. Of course they do.
Run a list of how many drafted players in the NCAA never even play a season in the NHL.
Your printer will run out of ink.

The same thing would happen if it ran a list of drafted CHL players to never play a season in the NHL.

[calgarywinning]

I think feaster should not have called him "the player" repeatedly in the press conference. He's frickin Jarome Iginla. . I didn't get that.

I think feaster very accurately described what they were trying to achieve in a rebuild that is linked to the coaching style, the commitment and turning a page. That they were limited by Jarome in the trade and also by what they were trying to achieve.

However, as crafty as he is, how does the last 5 trades work in context of today?

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Dion

Most STH don't expect the Iginla trade to be the one that turns the franchise around. It's going to take alot more than that. The Iginla trade and rebuild should have started 3 years ago and not today. We waited too long and now the process could be painful for fans.

I agree those 2 players have to prove themselves but at the same time i'm not going to write them off until they've had a chance. Also when your star player gives you a small amount of teams to deal with, it reduces your bargaining power. Plus we don't have the inside info of what players were discussed and how it came down to the 2 prospects.

As for Weisbrod didn't he recommend Gaudreau, Jankowski and Gilles? For me the jury is still out and i'm willing to give Weisbrod some time

I will agree with you there Iginla handcuffed the Flames with this joke of a miniscul amount of teams to talk to.
As for Johhny hockey he is fun to watch and very gifted but that frame in the NHL. He will defy physics and the odds if he actually makes it.
He is fun story to follow but i'm not having high expectations he makes it and Jankowski still has plenty and i do mean plenty to prove. He is improving but lets face it he was a project pick. An odd pick that might pan out.
Maybe they really did find a diamond.
Gilles yes a fine goalie NCAA against NCAA shooters.

[Bluzman]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

I think feaster should not have called him "the player" repeatedly in the press conference. He's frickin Jarome Iginla. . I didn't get that.

The lawyer in Feaster breaking out in legalese.

[Dagger]

He needs to get the #### out.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

NHL stars who emerged from the watered down candy ass ranks of the NCAA.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...the-nhl/page/2

I will add this....

NCAA has hefty representation in NHL during ’11-12 season

A total of 300 former U.S. college hockey players participated in the 2011-12 NHL regular season, the biggest NCAA representation in history and a 39 percent increase from 10 years ago when 216 ex-collegians played in the NHL.

Former college players accounted for 30.5 percent of all players in the NHL this season, also a record, according to figures compiled and released by College Hockey Inc. Forty-six former college players made their NHL debuts this season, including seven who appeared after their college seasons concluded.

Seven 30-goal scorers were among the group, as well as five of the top nine rookie scorers in the league, including rookie goal-scoring leader Matt Read (Bemidji State). Jonathan Toews (North Dakota) led the league in faceoff percentage and Curtis Glencross (Alaska-Anchorage) led in shooting percentage.

http://www.uscho.com/2012/04/10/ncaa...#ixzz2Op4kOdyp

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

and who was the centerpiece of that deal coming back. Wasn't it Horak?
Where is he.
So what has time proven to us Feaster moved nothing because of Sutters blunder for nothing.
Because the intillectual honesty is Horak is not going to be capable to stick in the NHL but is a great AHL player then to this fan he is nothing the NHL Calgary Flames.

Lol.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I will agree with you there Iginla handcuffed the Flames with this joke of a miniscul amount of teams to talk to.

It's a reason why I dispise NTC - they should be banned.

As for Johhny hockey he is fun to watch and very gifted but that frame in the NHL. He will defy physics and the odds if he actually makes it.
He is fun story to follow but i'm not having high expectations he makes it and Jankowski still has plenty and i do mean plenty to prove. He is improving but lets face it he was a project pick. An odd pick that might pan out.

Maybe they really did find a diamond.

If Marty St.Louis or Dany Briere can do it, so can Gaudreau. He will need to bulk up like Baertschi has to.

Gilles yes a fine goalie NCAA against NCAA shooters.

Not sure what that means. Can you clarify your point further?

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The same thing would happen if it ran a list of drafted CHL players to never play a season in the NHL.

exactly we both know you can find players that made it to the NHL from any elite league.
But then why do we have skeptism about the KHL or ala Ramo, Cervenka.
Hell Cervenka was the star, the man in the KHL he was the Sid Crosby.
Here he is meh average.

Watch a few NCAA games and if your honest about you will damn that was some sloppy hockey with little contact.
Its usually speedy try to score on the rush brand of hockey. Most of the players are nice skaters but more on the small size and the bigger physical players just bounce off them. The puck is usually not in either zone for long.
Pinball hockey and keep in mind they only play around 44 games.
Compared to 76 in the AHL.