"Tough to Swallow" ~ Alberta Seniors

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Ya right... I grew up entitled...

Why when I was a kid growing I had to walk 5 miles to school up hill each way, while walking barefoot because we couldn't afford shoes. If I wanted a toy to play with I had to fight the dog for an old piece of rope to play with.

That's your mistake. Who pays to feed a dog under such difficult circumstances?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Also... from this thread, I see that there are a lot of us talking about how we are ok with bland food (aka. "Generation ME") and then there is you trying to re-write history, talk about how tough of a childhood they had, complain that food doesn't taste good enough, and complain about kids these days (aka. "Baby Boomers")

Funny

Yeah, I'm not sure how my general position of "I expect to work hard for what I get and think others should do the same" can be construed as entitlement.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Yeah, I'm not sure how my general position of "I expect to work hard for what I get and think others should do the same" can be construed as entitlement.

I also can't figure out how us "entitled" generation not complaining about mediocre food makes us the "generation ME" either...

Sounds to me Rerun just wants to complain about kids these days (or re-write history) rather then talk about what the thread was intended to be about.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

You're telling me that 50 year olds have given up hope of being rich and famous, but people under the age of 25 still have dreams and being rich and famous?

And this surprised you?

Not what I'm telling you at all. Read the article and study instead of making assumptions.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Slava

That's your mistake. Who pays to feed a dog under such difficult circumstances?

The dog lived off the rats he caught in our house. Sometimes if he caught more than one in a day it was a treat for us... rat steak for supper!!! mmmmm.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Not what I'm telling you at all. Read the article and study instead of making assumptions.

Having read that article I think what it shows is that growing up in a society created by boomers (Our parents) has led us to have a selfish view. One might ask how did we learn such traits so that we were already jaded by the world at the age of 25?

The boomers were raised in a post war land by parents who new poverty and war so of course initially they had great ideals for change. Those were quickly given up though for pursuit of personal goals and those values were transferred onto their children.

Really at 25 you are a reflection of your upbringing. So to be this poll shows that the boomers are a very entitled generation and in my opinion we don't know what the X's and Y's will do yet. Hopefully we clean up the mess the boomers have left us.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Sliver

These patient-costs (like food) at these facilities are subsidized to varying degrees by the government. That's why this is an issue that involves the government, Dion.

I'm quite aware of that, Buddy.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I think I read somewhere that food I had in univ res was worse then what prisoners get, including nutritional value. I would venture a guess that if there a 13 minute documentary on how poorly univ res students are fed, all we'd hear is how entitled kids are these days.

Yes we would, because there is a rather marked difference between an 18 year old kid an a 80 year-old woman who can't walk or maybe even talk.

For example, an 18 year-old kid can go get a goddamn job and make their own food when they are in school. Or they can move out of rez, then they wouldn't whine for the rest of their lives about how crappy the food was in university. That 80-year-old woman, she doesn't have that option.

Clearly some of you people don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. There is a reason a person lives in a long term care facility -- because they ####ing well need care, long term. They can't look after themselves. Do you understand? It's not an able-bodied kid being fed crappy food for eight months until they grow up enough to not live in rez.

People in an LTC are going to be their for the rest of their lives, and they know it. Serving them a meal that isn't fortified mush isn't too much to ask.

Anyway, for all the high rollers who are setting themselves up to live in luxury when you can't go to the bathroom by yourself -- you are going to be dropping 20 grand a month, possibly for decades, to cover it. Are you saving that much? You might even have to pay for two people.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by GGG

Having read that article I think what it shows is that growing up in a society created by boomers (Our parents) has led us to have a selfish view. One might ask how did we learn such traits so that we were already jaded by the world at the age of 25?

The boomers were raised in a post war land by parents who new poverty and war so of course initially they had great ideals for change. Those were quickly given up though for pursuit of personal goals and those values were transferred onto their children.

Really at 25 you are a reflection of your upbringing. So to be this poll shows that the boomers are a very entitled generation and in my opinion we don't know what the X's and Y's will do yet. Hopefully we clean up the mess the boomers have left us.

Yes of course... its all our fault. We made you what you are... f***ing christ!!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Yes we would, because there is a rather marked difference between an 18 year old kid an a 80 year-old woman who can't walk or maybe even talk.

For example, an 18 year-old kid can go get a goddamn job and make their own food when they are in school. Or they can move out of rez, then they wouldn't whine for the rest of their lives about how crappy the food was in university. That 80-year-old woman, she doesn't have that option.

Clearly some of you people don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. There is a reason a person lives in a long term care facility -- because they ####ing well need care, long term. They can't look after themselves. Do you understand? It's not an able-bodied kid being fed crappy food for eight months until they grow up enough to not live in rez.

People in an LTC are going to be their for the rest of their lives, and they know it. Serving them a meal that isn't fortified mush isn't too much to ask.

Anyway, for all the high rollers who are setting themselves up to live in luxury when you can't go to the bathroom by yourself -- you are going to be dropping 20 grand a month, possibly for decades, to cover it. Are you saving that much? You might even have to pay for two people.

The easier argument to make would be to say that kids in rez deserve to have better food to and that when governments provide food for people their hould be a minimum standard. Instead you make the argument that the elderly deserve more because they cant provide for themselves. Well they had 60 years to provide for themselves, the student hasnt had any. They may also have a family that they raised who can help and if they did a good job should help.

If you believe that fortified mush is good enough for students than fortified mush should be good enough for seniors.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Yes of course... its all our fault. We made you what you are... f***ing christ!!

lol. Upcoming meltdown?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Clearly some of you people don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. There is a reason a person lives in a long term care facility -- because they ####ing well need care, long term. They can't look after themselves. Do you understand? It's not an able-bodied kid being fed crappy food for eight months until they grow up enough to not live in rez.

People in an LTC are going to be their for the rest of their lives, and they know it. Serving them a meal that isn't fortified mush isn't too much to ask.

That's not the responsibility of society. Society's responsibility is to offer a welfare system to give have-not's the bare essentials, not "tasty food" ....

You are right, I have no idea what I'm talking about. Nobody here does either, because we don't have all the info. But the info we were given, i.e. "the food isn't tasty enough," is doesn't make me sympathetic. It just makes me think they are entitled. They probably aren't, but that youtube sure made it look like that.

[Thunderball]

Like many, my opinion is 100% reliant on whether the food is nutritious or not.

If its truly nutrient deprived garbage, then I'm disgusted with both the AUPE and the Government for allowing that to happen and significant changes are required both by who runs these facilities, and who is allowed to staff them. There's a ton of money invested annually in long term care, and if they can't get that right, then there's a serious cash allocation issue that needs to be addressed. In my experiences, I do not believe this to be the case.

I believe this truly is a case of the food simply not being "tasty enough," which I don't consider much of an issue. Their job is nutritionally sound sustenence and proper medical care on a budget. So long as that is accomplished, I don't see an issue.

My girlfriend's grandfather is in one of these facilities, and yeah, the food isn't that good, but, its not that bad either. Its cafeteria/hospital level food, no worse.

Ironically, the only time they complained is when the lunch selection was too spicy and ambitious for elderly patients (I think it was a turkey gumbo or chilli). To accent his experiences, they bring him in special lunches and dinners sometimes, and bring him out on holidays.

Families are strongly expected to get involved to make these operations work, especially to augment the minimum standards. If more families were active with their declining relatives, maybe the minimum standard could be higher, particularly for those without families, as less resources would be needed for each person.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by flameswin

lol. Upcoming meltdown?

Am. calmer. now.

Cheers...

[Smartcar]

***TASTE*** and ***TEXTURE*** don't necessarily relate to ***NUTRITIONAL VALUE***!!!111!!!

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Smartcar

***TASTE*** and ***TEXTURE*** don't necessarily relate to ***NUTRITIONAL VALUE***!!!111!!!

Very true. But having them come together at least most of the time would be desirable. Especially when the group lunch is likely the highlight of your day.

BTW It's my 5 year anniversary on CP.... not sure how I've survived all you rough kids.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Very true. But having them come together at least most of the time would be desirable. Especially when the group lunch is likely the highlight of your day.

BTW It's my 5 year anniversary on CP.... not sure how I've survived all you rough kids.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Yes of course... its all our fault. We made you what you are... f***ing christ!!

I will admit that my comments were somewhat trollish but that survey you quoted is just garbage reporting.

The enviroment one grows up in shapes their mindset rather than some inherant quality within themselves. Politics, economics and Technology play a huge role especially when looking at an aggregate opinion. If you transported gen x and gen y back to when the boomers grow up you probably end up with the same results. There is nothing inherently good or bad with any generation. They are a product of their environment.

[flamesfever]

Besides lack of money to go to a better facility, let's examine some of the health issues many of these Seniors have to contend with:

- incontinence (pee and poo) and not enough staff to change them often enough
- heart and lung problems (some on oxygen)
- diabetis
- kidney problems (some on dialysis)
- arthritis
- cancer (some have stomas, etc.)
- poor vision and/or hearing

Their sex life is probably non existant, they may be depressed and lonely with very few friends who are still alive, and a family who seldom sees them.

However, there is one thing that remains where they are capable of getting some joy out of life, and that is being able to enjoy a good meal. However, even that is taken away...ironically by one of the richest provinces in the country, in order to save a few bucks.

Shame on you who show no empathy.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

That's not the responsibility of society. Society's responsibility is to offer a welfare system to give have-not's the bare essentials, not "tasty food" ....

I don't know what pathetic society you want to live in, but it's not the one you grew up in, and most of us with a conscience don't want to live in one that provides the old, sick, and infirm with the bare minimum for survival.

And we're not talking about "have nots". These are regular people who worked for decades, paying for you to go to school and all that cool stuff you got for free when you were a kid. That includes the food you still bitch about in the university they paid for.

Unless, of course, you are currently saving for retirement and paying back every nickel those people gave you for your education.

Are you doing that? If so, then you definitely have a point. If you aren't, you don't.