2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Well, we’re not in any position to acquire premium 18 year old players either, so parlaying some of the assets we acquire for pending UFAs into good (obtainable) pieces seems a whole lot smarter.

Why are we not in a position to get premium 18 year olds? Stacked drafts often produce 10 or so star players throughout the first round. 2003 had supertstars scattered throughout the 1st round.

We need more draft picks in this years 1st round and maybe add a couple next year too.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Lionizing Detroit is fine and all, but posters have to recognize it's easy to do it *now* given that 7 years of finishing ~7th is behind them (?).

Part of the problem with the rebuild/tank posture is that we tend to assess it when it's of interest to us. So yeah Detroit looks poised now and that's attractive, but how about we dial it back 7 years and ask posters to sit through 560+ games of 7th place finishes first? Not so attractive then. And I'd wager plenty on here would crack by season 3 or 4 and want to start splashing some cash.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Why are we not in a position to get premium 18 year olds? Stacked drafts often produce 10 or so star players throughout the first round. 2003 had supertstars scattered throughout the 1st round.

We need more draft picks in this years 1st round and maybe add a couple next year too.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Lionizing Detroit is fine and all, but posters have to recognize it's easy to do it *now* given that 7 years of finishing ~7th is behind them (?).

Part of the problem with the rebuild/tank posture is that we tend to assess it when it's of interest to us. So yeah Detroit looks poised now and that's attractive, but how about we dial it back 7 years and ask posters to sit through 560+ games of 7th place finishes first? Not so attractive then. And I'd wager plenty on here would crack by season 3 or 4 and want to start splashing some cash.

After the Tkachuk trade was over, we could have kept Monahan, traded Huberdeau and Weegar, and we'd have had every bit the balance sheet Detroit has in one month rather than seven years.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Exactly.



After the Tkachuk trade was over, we could have kept Monahan, traded Huberdeau and Weegar, and we'd have had every bit the balance sheet Detroit has in one month rather than seven years.

But they didn’t
At what point do we move on from that?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But they didn’t
At what point do we move on from that?

When that bleeding horse is finally dead.

Which is never.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Exactly.



After the Tkachuk trade was over, we could have kept Monahan, traded Huberdeau and Weegar, and we'd have had every bit the balance sheet Detroit has in one month rather than seven years.

Based on what? Your best guess?

Regardless, it’s moot. The organization has and continues to say its objective is to remain competitive. Conroy has said his first priority is resigning Lindholm. The only way I see the Flames taking a step backwards is if they can’t sign him. At that point, their hand may be forced.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Why are we not in a position to get premium 18 year olds? Stacked drafts often produce 10 or so star players throughout the first round. 2003 had supertstars scattered throughout the 1st round.

We need more draft picks in this years 1st round and maybe add a couple next year too.

“More draft picks” =/= premium 18 year old players. Even if those picks are late first rounders. Top 5? Sure, maybe, but in most situations outside the top ten, it’s guys who might turn into anywhere from a good to great player 3-5 years after the draft. You want a premium 18 year old player and you’re picking top 5 in this draft, and that’s not happening for us.

We know the team is not rebuilding and we know we still need to add some youth. Moving out Lindholm, Hanifin, Toffoli, Backlund, etc for picks and then sitting on our hands isn’t going to happen so let’s stop pretending it’s on the table, right? Getting younger by converting some of those assets into guys like Konecny is just smart management.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

“More draft picks” =/= premium 18 year old players. Even if those picks are late first rounders. Top 5? Sure, maybe, but in most situations outside the top ten, it’s guys who might turn into anywhere from a good to great player 3-5 years after the draft. You want a premium 18 year old player and you’re picking top 5 in this draft, and that’s not happening for us.

We know the team is not rebuilding and we know we still need to add some youth. Moving out Lindholm, Hanifin, Toffoli, Backlund, etc for picks and then sitting on our hands isn’t going to happen so let’s stop pretending it’s on the table, right? Getting younger by converting some of those assets into guys like Konecny is just smart management.

Once again Detroit is a good example. 6 top ten picks in the last 6 drafts with another one coming up in this years draft. And some are arguing today that they shouldn’t be trying to improve. Whether it’s Calgary or Detroit or whoever, I don’t think there’s a team in the league that would take that option seriously.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Believe Koenecny’s wife is from Calgary and he offseason’s here. Good reason to think he would be a guy who wants to be here and sign long term. That’s part of the reason the Flames should pursue him.

Perhaps skepticism I'd getting me here. But it seems like the Flames trade Lindholm for futures than immediately flip them to get Konecny. So you trade a strong two way center who's been pretty durable because you don't like the future price and contract. In return you get a smaller winger who has been less durable who needs a similar type contract in two seasons. To me that just recycles the same problem. I don't see how you ever become a better team making moves like that.

Would much rather keep the futures and than see what the discount is on a guy like Hayes to bring back some right now help. Avoid the premium guys and see what the discount bin of the back end of older contracts offers and build a new base with the good young assets you keep. You also have to hunt like hounds for the Chandler Stephenson's of the world to help supplement the team with some found money. That's the only way I see them advancing the team if they're not going to tank type of thing.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Perhaps skepticism I'd getting me here. But it seems like the Flames trade Lindholm for futures than immediately flip them to get Konecny. So you trade a strong two way center who's been pretty durable because you don't like the future price and contract. In return you get a smaller winger who has been less durable who needs a similar type contract in two seasons. To me that just recycles the same problem. I don't see how you ever become a better team making moves like that.

Would much rather keep the futures and than see what the discount is on a guy like Hayes to bring back some right now help. Avoid the premium guys and see what the discount bin of the back end of older contracts offers and build a new base with the good young assets you keep. You also have to hunt like hounds for the Chandler Stephenson's of the world to help supplement the team with some found money. That's the only way I see them advancing the team if they're not going to tank type of thing.

My argument has been to trade Hanifin for the picks/prospects that would allow the Flames to make a pitch for Koenecny. Lindholm resigning with the Flames would have to be part of this scenario.

If the Flames are going to lose both Hanifin and Lindholm, then, yes, it’s probably best to stockpile picks/prospects with the intent of a retool/rebuild.

Part of the intent would be to create a top line of Huberdeau-Lindholm-Koenecny.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Yeah they are very far away still from being a contender. I think the Hronek trade signaled the same, if Yzerman though they were close he would not be trading big pieces like that. Heck, they weren't even close to a playoff spot. And none of their "core" pieces match up well against championship caliber teams, maybe with the exception of Seider who looks like a star in making.

Things can turn around fast if you have good young players. Two season ago, the Devils were the third worst team in the NHL. This season, they finished with the third best record.

[Teroy]

Thoughts?

https://fullpresscoverage.com/2023/0...him-to-arizona

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Thoughts?

https://fullpresscoverage.com/2023/0...him-to-arizona

must be on drugs.

huberdeau, kylington, phillips and our 16 OA for their 13 OA and a 3rd?

feel dumber having read that.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

must be on drugs.

huberdeau, kylington, if he returns to form phillips UFA might be gone anyway and our 16 OA for their 13 OA and a 3rd and 10.5 million?

feel dumber having read that.

Why?

[topfiverecords]

That website code is nearly as bad as its content.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Thoughts?

https://fullpresscoverage.com/2023/0...him-to-arizona

Dumbest idea.

And people wonder why no one wants to play in Canada. We’re always trying to write off our players before they even play longer than 100 games in a Flames uni.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

must be on drugs.

huberdeau, kylington, phillips and our 16 OA for their 13 OA and a 3rd?

feel dumber having read that.

It's not real or anything but..
You get a potential franchise player doing that. The 16/13 swap isn't major, Phillips is nothing at this point, Kylington hasn't played in a year and Huberdeau might be a bigger question mark than him. You do that deal.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Dumbest idea.

And people wonder why no one wants to play in Canada. We’re always trying to write off our players before they even play longer than 100 games in a Flames uni.

It’s a fine idea if they do a tear down rebuild that Huberdeau probably wouldn’t want to be part of anyway. I don’t expect them to do it but I think the value is fine. Move up in a good draft. Philips rights are worthless. Kylington might be worth a second or third and is a UFA next year and they basically hit the reset button on a rebuild.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Why?

you are jumping up 3 spots and getting a third, that's why. The player you get at that spot is on the same 'shelf' as the 16th pick.

Huberdeau, as poorly as last season went, still got you 55 points last year. On a team without a lot of offensive talent.

Lose Kylington and from what it sounds like, Hanifin too and suddenly your depth doesn't look so hot.

There is no UFA defensemen this year to fill those voids.

Cap room is only useful if guys like Lindholm and Hanifin want to stay; which I am not convinced about.
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I hate the Huberdeau contract, but that proposal is absurd... not to mention AZ wouldn't pay Hubie that money either, considering how poor their finances are.

now if the play is to burn it down, you do that deal, but that's never an option for the Flames.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

It's not real or anything but..
You get a potential franchise player doing that. The 16/13 swap isn't major, Phillips is nothing at this point, Kylington hasn't played in a year and Huberdeau might be a bigger question mark than him. You do that deal.

No you don't

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