Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

https://natural-resources.canada.ca/...-sector-canada


Good map I just found, we can see which provinces pull their refining weight, and which ones are Manitoba. And I never would have guessed Quebec has nearly as much refining capacity as Alberta. Unless this map is missing stuff.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Close enough?



https://www.energievalero.ca/en-ca/o...gaulinrefinery

If only we could get more Canadian crude going through that refinery instead of importing oil from overseas/USA.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

In spite of the parroting slogans, do you think the voting public are dumb enough to believe that PP is about to behave like Trump?. Who would you say is the Musk equivalent? And who are the wealthy, influential men who surround him.

Yes the average voter is that dumb.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Ford has been building national appeal since he somehow managed to be the first Premier to stand up to Donald. If we were talking about Smith, I'd be more inclined to agree with you.

If Ford has shown anything, it's that he's very clever politically. If he could pull the CPC closer to the center and do away with a lot of the extreme elements that put centrist and left-of-center types off of voting for the present-day CPC, he'd clean up.

Sorry, I should have expanded on that a bit more. Beyond the Trump stuff, which may or may not be relevant by the time the 2029 election rolls around, I'm not sure Ford will have the same type of national relevance and appeal.

He's also 60 years old at the moment. Outside of Paul Martin, Canadians haven't historically been thrilled about the idea of electing senior citizens to high office (unlike the idiots to the South).

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

In spite of the parroting slogans, do you think the voting public are dumb enough to believe that PP is about to behave like Trump?

He's already been behaving like Trump. He's also been hanging around noted kooks like Jordan Peterson. He's chosen to make his far-right bed, and now he has to lay in it.

And who are the wealthy, influential men who surround him.

https://www.idu.org/

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://natural-resources.canada.ca/...-sector-canada


Good map I just found, we can see which provinces pull their refining weight, and which ones are Manitoba. And I never would have guessed Quebec has nearly as much refining capacity as Alberta. Unless this map is missing stuff.

Enbridge ships refined products on Line 1 to Gretna, Manitoba where they then get shipped back to Winnipeg for distribution. In addition, I’m pretty sure they get trucked volumes out of Regina. Really no need for refining in Manitoba.

As for Quebec refining, it shouldn’t be all that surprisng, they have twice the population base of Alberta, and those refinieries likely have a pretty decent coverage area too.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Sorry, I should have expanded on that a bit more. Beyond the Trump stuff, which may or may not be relevant by the time the 2029 election rolls around, I'm not sure Ford will have the same type of national relevance and appeal.

He's also 60 years old at the moment. Outside of Paul Martin, Canadians haven't historically been thrilled about the idea of electing senior citizens to high office (unlike the idiots to the South).

The advantage Ford will have is if Carney does manage to get elected due to existential threat of Trump I suspect Canada will be well and truly ready to dump the Liberals once that's gone, 15 or so years of the Liberals will likely be about all the country will go for and pretty much anything in a blue will get to be PM, in essence all Ford has to do is get the Tory leadership, voter apathy and desire for change will do the rest

[Scroopy Noopers]

I don’t know why people think Ford wants the PM gig. He is pillaging Ontario and has completely free rein. He’s going to do this as long as he can.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Ford's an excellent politician (viewing politician as a job not in a 'agree with his ideology/policies) and appears to play really well in a crisis. He's always at ground zero of whatever broad issue is unfolding impacting Ontarians and manages to be seen to be 'doing something about it' in a way that appears very 'Joe Everyman.' He's also very practical in crisis responses that are not ideological. I find in those moments he has people who typically associate as Liberal or NDP voters saying 'I hate to say it but I agree with Doug Ford.'

I'm impressed with how he's handled the tariff situation. There's never going to be a leader that's perfect for all sides of the political spectrum but it's important that they are strong and decisive during hard times and crisis situations and Ford has kind of become the face of Canada right now in this tariff war.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

In spite of the parroting slogans, do you think the voting public are dumb enough to believe that PP is about to behave like Trump?. Who would you say is the Musk equivalent? And who are the wealthy, influential men who surround him.

If Smith was Prime Minister would you trust her not to compromise our sovereignty? I would not. Smith might be the extreme end of current Right Wing in Canada or she is the least constrained by public opinion so she can act closest to the true vision of the grass roots of the party.

Do I believe that the riding associations that control the Conservative Party support the current actions of Donald Trump aside from Tarriffs? Yes. Do I believe the riding associations will turf a leader who isn’t conservative enough for them? Yes we have seen that with Otoole and Kenny.

So the question is really about PP. It’s about trusting the Conservative Party power brokers. The answer to that question is Yes I believe that the Conservative Party power brokers would love to see a hack and slash on government “waste” without regard for the affects and without understanding what they are cutting. It’s fits their ideology that all government is wasteful.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Did you not see? Its cause Carney only has slogans

Poilievre has a plan to put Canada First

He does have a plan. But for some reason he chooses not to tell people about it and instead just focuses on attacking Carney.

Its a dumb move politically.

[Azure]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1900555780232712324

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Azure

He does have a plan. But for some reason he chooses not to tell people about it and instead just focuses on attacking Carney.

Its a dumb move politically.

As far as I can tell his plan is to:

• Axe the tax
• Spike the hike
• Build the houses
• Stop the crime
• Fix the budget
• Verb the noun
• Common sense conservatives

Seriously - what is his plan?

[Paulie Walnuts]

MC officially sworn in as PM.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Azure

He does have a plan. But for some reason he chooses not to tell people about it and instead just focuses on attacking Carney.

Its a dumb move politically.

He has concepts of a plan.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Torture

As far as I can tell his plan is to:

• Axe the tax
• Spike the hike
• Build the houses
• Stop the crime
• Fix the budget
• Verb the noun
• Common sense conservatives

Seriously - what is his plan?

That’s dishonest. You forgot his “Something the drugs” plan where he actually laid out some semblance of a plan which was immediately shot down as unconstitutional, insanely expensive, and a huge additional burden on the overburdened justice system.

From what we’ve seen, perhaps it’s best that he has no real plans. The whole modern Canadian conservative schtick really seems to fall apart as soon as they expand anything beyond three words.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

He has concepts of a plan.

Carney isn't exactly spilling the beans about what he would do, and most people running for office are about as detailed with their plans as PP is.

The problem is he can't move away from being the attack dog.

[Harry Lime]

At this point, I need a plan REALLY spelled out by a conservative politician. The last two conservative governments that have really effected my life, have been UCP and trump. Both of these governments are marked by the fact that they ran on one platform, and then abandoned it and did something completely different in reality.

The Conservatives have a big trust issue right now, and I don't see PP getting ahead of it, at all. That's really disappointing, and frankly blindly stupid.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Torture

As far as I can tell his plan is to:

• Axe the tax
• Spike the hike
• Build the houses
• Stop the crime
• Fix the budget
• Verb the noun
• Common sense conservatives

Seriously - what is his plan?

That sounds basically like every plan a political candidate has. Mix and match.

Nobody presents detailed concepts about what they will do.

Carney is talking about cutting operational expenditures and investing in Canada. What does that mean beside literally nothing?

Trudeau said the budget will balance itself. Yeah sure.

They're all the same.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Azure

Carney isn't exactly spilling the beans about what he would do, and most people running for office are about as detailed with their plans as PP is.

The problem is he can't move away from being the attack dog.

"attack dog"........he's coming for you