Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Drak]

“America First!” - Donald Trump

“Canada First!” - Pierre Poilievre

Also:

“Donald Trump’s balls sure do taste good in my mouth!”- Pierre Poilievre

[rubecube]

The fact that they're still running this gameplan, instead of going after Trump, tells me all I need to know about how much resistance PP is going to provide against Trump.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1900217623830212923

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The fact that they're still running this gameplan, instead of going after Trump, tells me all I need to know about how much resistance PP is going to provide against Trump.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1900217623830212923

I wonder how long it will take for Ford to leap into the ring when Poilievre ####s this up. I think he is building a strong candidacy in the wings right now, and tired of liberal sentiment will likely return during the next term at some point.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I wonder how long it will take for Ford to leap into the ring when Poilievre ####s this up. I think he is building a strong candidacy in the wings right now, and tired of liberal sentiment will likely return during the next term at some point.

Ford has no national appeal. Much of Ontario can't stand him, but hated the other options more.

I'm pretty sure he can't speak French, so he'll get crushed in Quebec and parts of Atlantic Canada.

He might get some momentum in the prairie provinces, but he has no chance of making inroads in the more progressive areas of BC.

[TorqueDog]

Ford has been building national appeal since he somehow managed to be the first Premier to stand up to Donald. If we were talking about Smith, I'd be more inclined to agree with you.

If Ford has shown anything, it's that he's very clever politically. If he could pull the CPC closer to the center and do away with a lot of the extreme elements that put centrist and left-of-center types off of voting for the present-day CPC, he'd clean up.

[Monahammer]

Rube, I think you're behind the times in that assessment. Ford's strong man act against trump is playing extremely well across the country right now. He's caught the wind on this more than any other politician in the country. He's also playing it very stately and not only bringing ontario to the table when he makes public statements.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I feel like once Poilievre realized best case Ontario was gonna be minority PM, he decided to straight up lose. Being the PM of impotent minority government does nothing for him, and is just a matter of time until he loses anyway. Losing straight up now and going straight into the right wing griftsphere is way more profitable.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Drak

“America First!” - Donald Trump

“Canada First!” - Pierre Poilievre

As Frum observed in the interview I linked to, Canadian voters do not want a Canadian Trump. Parroting his slogans is idiotic. Carney’s team are rubbing their hands over this stuff - the attack ads write themselves.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

As Frum observed in the interview I linked to, Canadian voters do not want a Canadian Trump. Parroting his slogans is idiotic. Carney’s team are rubbing their hands over this stuff - the attack ads write themselves.

Like are 2025 rightwingers effing morons?? Any idiot who laps up this koolaid is already voting for you.....

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Ford has been building national appeal since he somehow managed to be the first Premier to stand up to Donald. If we were talking about Smith, I'd be more inclined to agree with you.

If Ford has shown anything, it's that he's very clever politically. If he could pull the CPC closer to the center and do away with a lot of the extreme elements that put centrist and left-of-center types off of voting for the present-day CPC, he'd clean up.

Ford's an excellent politician (viewing politician as a job not in a 'agree with his ideology/policies) and appears to play really well in a crisis. He's always at ground zero of whatever broad issue is unfolding impacting Ontarians and manages to be seen to be 'doing something about it' in a way that appears very 'Joe Everyman.' He's also very practical in crisis responses that are not ideological. I find in those moments he has people who typically associate as Liberal or NDP voters saying 'I hate to say it but I agree with Doug Ford.'

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He either thinks we are unbelievably stupid, or he's unbelievably stupid.

Both can be correct.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The fact that they're still running this gameplan, instead of going after Trump, tells me all I need to know about how much resistance PP is going to provide against Trump.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1900217623830212923

Yeah, his long history as just an attack dog is now coming through more. Yes, Carney could be all those things, but you have to present why you're better and not just why Carney is worse.

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, his long history as just an attack dog is now coming through more. Yes, Carney could be all those things, but you have to present why you're better and not just why Carney is worse.

Did you not see? Its cause Carney only has slogans

Poilievre has a plan to put Canada First

[Sylvanfan]

I wonder if the Russians have turned Poilievre into an asset the way they did with Trump. I'll also be interested to see if Musk tries to use his #### platform to try and sway our election.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

I personally want someone in the middle that would grow the economic benefit Canada has to offer from all aspects, O&G, Mines and Metals, Hydro, Potash etc to make housing affordable, support healthcare and other social programs, however also be able to work with provinces on development of alternative sources of energy and be a leader in environmental policy and actually follow through on promises made to our indigenous population to deliver basic quality of life necessities like clean water.

I would like to see internal use of natural Gas by all cities moving to NG fleet vehicles and buses to offset the carbon footprint that each household emits by having to have a gas/diesel vehicle.

I'd like to see export pipeline capacity but I'd also like to see refinery capacity built in Sask/AB, I'd like to see the NG moratorium for NG development taken off NB & NS,

I want a Government that will work for the Country, not for votes and their own interests. I'm a realist enough to realize this wont happen in my lifetime but the potential is there.

I would like to see a refinery built in Quebec the size of the ones in Edmonton or Regina

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I wonder if the Russians have turned Poilievre into an asset the way they did with Trump. I'll also be interested to see if Musk tries to use his #### platform to try and sway our election.

Quite possibly and absolutely yes.

No wonder PP won’t get his security clearance re: foreign interference.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

As Frum observed in the interview I linked to, Canadian voters do not want a Canadian Trump. Parroting his slogans is idiotic. Carney’s team are rubbing their hands over this stuff - the attack ads write themselves.

In spite of the parroting slogans, do you think the voting public are dumb enough to believe that PP is about to behave like Trump?. Who would you say is the Musk equivalent? And who are the wealthy, influential men who surround him.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Ford's an excellent politician (viewing politician as a job not in a 'agree with his ideology/policies) and appears to play really well in a crisis. He's always at ground zero of whatever broad issue is unfolding impacting Ontarians and manages to be seen to be 'doing something about it' in a way that appears very 'Joe Everyman.' He's also very practical in crisis responses that are not ideological. I find in those moments he has people who typically associate as Liberal or NDP voters saying 'I hate to say it but I agree with Doug Ford.'

He was amazingly (surprisingly?) empathetic during the early days of the pandemic and dropped any partisanship wot work closely with the Feds. That was my first inkling that I didn't have to always hate him.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I wonder if the Russians have turned Poilievre into an asset the way they did with Trump. I'll also be interested to see if Musk tries to use his #### platform to try and sway our election.

I think both may try. That will hurt him by association to anyone older who is paying attention, but I worry about the younger cohorts. They favour the CPC even in recent polls, and were mobilized in the US election, if we are to believe the narrative. I wonder if we'll see $1M 'random giveaways' for Canadians who sign up to support .... the charter of rights and freedoms I guess?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I would like to see a refinery built in Quebec the size of the ones in Edmonton or Regina

Close enough?

The Jean Gaulin Refinery in Saint-Romuald (Lévis) is a strategic energy infrastructure in Quebec and in North America.With a refining capacity of approximately 265,000 barrels per day, it is the second largest refinery in Canada by production capacity.

https://www.energievalero.ca/en-ca/o...gaulinrefinery