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Bingo · 02-15-2024, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I would think that Conroy stepping away and Fitz re-engaging means that Mercer is the main piece. Guessing Mercer + prospect + draft pick for retained Markstrom.

Yeah would certainly suggest a shift in the final trade towards Conroy's ask and away from Jersey's line in the sand.

DoubleK · 02-15-2024, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Have to think that is the starting point if you don’t get Mercer. Devils probably need to add.

I agree. Devs would need to add a non-roster prospect and preferably something for retention on Markstrom.

I won't be happy if Mercer is in the deal.

Bonded · 02-15-2024, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

So then what roster player were you thinking? Because Holtz+ a bottom six roster player and a meh prospect is a hang up by Craig Conroy.

We’ll see. I don’t really care about the roster player. Someone they can rehab. Holtz + a 1st would be the best return for a goalie in ages. Mercer for Markstrom would be a Forsberg/Erat level trade imo. Markstrom is good but the returns in general aren’t amazing. Kuemper/Anderson/Jones/Lehner all returned late 1sts. Kuemper had Timmins tossed in.

BoLevi · 02-15-2024, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Hope they're ready to have their hearts extracted then.

Why should the Flames give up the guy holding their season together for anything but an overpay?

draft positioning.

Markstrom is actively costing the Flames draft position.

dissentowner · 02-15-2024, 11:36 AM

I consider both Markstrom and Saros to have the same reputation as elite goalies, here is what SN proposes Saros nets from NJ. So I don't think our expectations are out of wack. Also, I don't like that Hanifin proposal.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ig-for-goalie/

dissentowner · 02-15-2024, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

We’ll see. I don’t really care about the roster player. Someone they can rehab. Holtz + a 1st would be the best return for a goalie in ages. Mercer for Markstrom would be a Forsberg/Erat level trade imo. Markstrom is good but the returns in general aren’t amazing. Kuemper/Anderson/Jones/Lehner all returned late 1sts. Kuemper had Timmins tossed in.

All I can tell you is you are underestimating Markstrom's value right now.

TrentCrimmIndependent · 02-15-2024, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BoLevi

draft positioning.

Markstrom is actively costing the Flames draft position.

The Flames don't think this way, and I guarantee you this isn't a talking point for management in their meetings.

It's about the assets they can extract, first and foremost.

albertGQ · 02-15-2024, 11:38 AM

I'm calling it now

To Calgary:
Mercer, 2024 1st round pick (top 10 protected), 2025 2nd round pick, B level prospect & roster player/cap dump,

To NJ:
Markstrom ($1.5M-$2M retained)

Flames67 · 02-15-2024, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

All I can tell you is you are underestimating Markstrom's value right now.

Me gusta

BoLevi · 02-15-2024, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The Flames don't think this way, and I guarantee you this isn't a talking point for management in their meetings.

It's about the assets they can extract, first and foremost.

I agree that the Flames don't think this way (at least out loud. But you asked "why should they?"

ComixZone · 02-15-2024, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

All I can tell you is you are underestimating Markstrom's value right now.

Yeah I believe Sec mentioned the return as a roster player + prospect + 1st + 2nd (for retention).

If a deal comes in with that sort of return Conroy will have hit a home run for this team.

DomeFoam · 02-15-2024, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

I agree. Devs would need to add a non-roster prospect and preferably something for retention on Markstrom.

I won't be happy if Mercer is in the deal.

You wouldn't be happy with a guy who scored 27 his second year in the league for a goalie we couldn't of gotten a bag of peanuts for last year?

TrentCrimmIndependent · 02-15-2024, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

I'm calling it now

To Calgary:
Mercer, 2024 1st round pick (top 10 protected), 2025 2nd round pick, B level prospect & roster player/cap dump,

To NJ:
Markstrom ($1.5M-$2M retained)

Well that would be a ####ing coup

Lanny_McDonald · 02-15-2024, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't see where Holtz fits on this roster going forward. He isn't a checking winger, he needs to be in your top 6 to meet his potential. Assuming the Flames will keep Kuzmenko because he seems to unlock Huberdeau and with Coronato needing top 6 wing time next year where are you putting Holtz? It makes no sense to me unless you are definitely flipping Kuzy.

I take Holtz and run. Coronato is likely a third line player who can contribute on the PP IMO. Smallish and is not great defensively. Shelter him and you probably have a guy that will score you 20-25 with the right matchups. Holtz will be better in all situations.

dissentowner · 02-15-2024, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DomeFoam

You wouldn't be happy with a guy who scored 27 his second year in the league for a goalie we couldn't of gotten a bag of peanuts for last year?

He is on NJ's side here, not ours.

Roof-Daddy · 02-15-2024, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DomeFoam

You wouldn't be happy with a guy who scored 27 his second year in the league for a goalie we couldn't of gotten a bag of peanuts for last year?

He's a Devils fan

DoubleK · 02-15-2024, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

I'm calling it now

To Calgary:
Mercer, 2024 1st round pick (top 10 protected), 2025 2nd round pick, B level prospect & roster player/cap dump,

To NJ:
Markstrom ($1.5M-$2M retained)

I hope you are wrong.

Lottery protection is irrelevant, there is no way the Devils are a bottom 10 team and have used up all their draft lottery luck.

DomeFoam · 02-15-2024, 11:40 AM

ahh, makes sense.

Vinny01 · 02-15-2024, 11:41 AM

I know this is greedy but could the Flames get Mercer and Holtz if they add to Markstrom? Something like Markstrom+Mangiapane (35% retained in both) it would Bring both players under $4M and 1 extra year for Mangi and 2 for Marky.

Getting 2 22 year old former first rounders would be a nice way to retool

Matty81 · 02-15-2024, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah I believe Sec mentioned the return as a roster player + prospect + 1st + 2nd (for retention).

If a deal comes in with that sort of return Conroy will have hit a home run for this team.

Yeah that would be a huge haul and worth retaining for. 4 good pieces and a reclamation project roster player like Vanecek would be a much better return than Lindholm even and as said earlier an incredible turnaround for a player who seemingly had close to negative value after last season. That kind of found money would go a long ways to undoing some of the damage Treliving did by mishandling the situation with Johnny and losing him for no assets.

I'm happy here with anything around Mercer, that many added pieces would be a shocker