Brad Treliving needs to go

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No not the same
If not for the expansion part he would have been back there
Brodie and The Flames were never that close.

Are you sure about that? Are you saying Flames weren’t that interested?

I believe Brodie would have come back here at the right price. Cant say I know what that price was.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No not the same
If not for the expansion part he would have been back there
Brodie and The Flames were never that close.

Interesting, you were in the room? For both teams?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Mikael Backlund has the #48-highest cap hit in the NHL among centres. He is getting paid nowhere near the top centres in the League.


Before this season Derek Ryan was producing consistently at just under a 0.5 pts/GP pace, which is excellent for a third-line centre. He is the #80 highest paid centre in the NHL.


In the current NHL economy there was no way Andersson was setting on a $2.0 m AAV. You continue to exist in this bizarro world in which players should all be paid like it's 2010. Inflation is real.

Absolute BS.

How did the Flames manage to sign Magniapane for $715k plus 2.45 x 2

that 5.6 for 3 years 1.8 per season in the same spot that Anderson was in.


Andersson had the same choices a Mangiapane... sign or play in Sweden or the KHL for far far less.


On Backlund I get it you love him. He is the 48 th highest paid C in the league and on a team that is lacking centre depth he is #3. The highest paid 3rd line centre in the league should be the 63th

PS Backund is getting paid 1 M less than #31 cap hit center Mackinnon. Backlund in the young years of his last NHL contract should be pretty darn close to a #1C as in the last 2 years of his contract he likely will be on the fourth line.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If the Flames bleed picks at this deadline I would question whether the management team have full command of their mental faculties. Maybe if it was some kind of “hockey deal” I suppose.

My point is I need a lot more than not being buyers to have them inspire some confidence.

If the Flames come away with only a couple of deals for pending UFAs that add some mid-late picks, this is still "not being buyers." I mean, what do you expect is likely to happen?

I remain convinced that the types of deals fans want are simply not going to be there at the TD, and there is nothing any GM will be able to do about it. This is why I have always been pretty firmly convinced that the best time to get a good read on Treliving and the team looking forward will be over the course of the off-season.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think either extreme ...

a) being so pro Treliving that gloss over his mistakes
b) being so anti Treliving that you try and find a way to talk down things that were good calls

are equally foolish.

Markstrom was the Canucks MVP last season according to many reviews/sources, he didn't lose his job in the playoffs, he was a solid UFA acquisition for a team that had middling goaltending for years.

I just think he's hurt.

His schedule to start the season is too similar to his workload in Vancouver over the last three years to scream burn out.

People that criticize coaching choices, goaltenders before Markstrom, or trading picks all have ammunition without adding good moves to the bad pile.

The Marskstrom move can most definitely be questioned as it was not a slam dunk good move. Not saying it was a mistake but I think it can be debated.

Just like some of his moves that failed can certainly be defended.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Are you sure about that? Are you saying Flames weren’t that interested?

I believe Brodie would have come back here at the right price. Cant say I know what that price was.

I’m saying the lack of expansion protection was the reason he didn’t sign with Vancouver. I think they were there on the numbers
I’m sure Calgary was interested in coming back and Brodie may have had some interest in returning for the right number
But I don’t think they ever got close

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Are you sure about that? Are you saying Flames weren’t that interested?

I believe Brodie would have come back here at the right price. Cant say I know what that price was.

That price was probably ‘not being (almost) traded for a guy who used his NTC to block the trade’

Tre really screwed up with the player

And never replaced him. Tanev brings what Hamonic was supposed to

Tre paid Andersson 90 percent of Brodie dollars instead.

Oof

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Interesting, you were in the room? For both teams?

Going off what was reported

[dino7c]

Just because a guy signed somewhere for X amount doesn't mean Calgary could have had him for the same.

This goes for Brodie, Taffoli, anyone else. People seem to think Flames get a chance to match all contracts. Likely add 1M+ or a year to every deal to get a guy here.

[AC]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Just because a guy signed somewhere for X amount doesn't mean Calgary could have had him for the same.

This goes for Brodie, Taffoli, anyone else. People seem to think Flames get a chance to match all contracts. Likely add 1M+ or a year to every deal to get a guy here.

No kidding. Basically all of the evidence points to Calgary being extremely undesirable. Players don't want to get traded here for the most part, and top free agents don't want to sign here.

Our leverage with Markstrom was having Lindholm here and obviously a guaranteed #1 role long term.

[Azhouse]

I think Treliving knew he needed change so his solution was letting Brodie walk and signing Taney as well as a ton of league min crappola. Sorry Brad. Try again (if you get the chance)

No complaints about Tanev and what he does for his D partner.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Markstrom got them there for sure. Compare his numbers last season to Demko with the same team in front of them.

Guy said something false and is now moving the goal posts. He didn't lose his job in the playoffs full stop. Kucherov lost his job in Tampa I guess.

Yeah but he is still more correct than the guy that claim Markstrom is Vezina level

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by AC

No kidding. Basically all of the evidence points to Calgary being extremely undesirable. Players don't want to get traded here for the most part, and top free agents don't want to sign here.

Our leverage with Markstrom was having Lindholm here and obviously a guaranteed #1 role long term.

and we flat out out-bid other teams, paying a premium.

This is why the draft is so damn important for this organization. Free agency is a costly, and risky endeavour - more so here than in other cities because of that premium.

I just don’t see free agency as a worthwhile avenue for this team. Whatever small moves do pay off (...like paying an effective 4th line centre 3.125M per season) have been outweighed by the bad deals (Neal, Brouwer).

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

I think Treliving knew he needed change so his solution was letting Brodie walk and signing Taney as well as a ton of league min crappola. Sorry Brad. Try again (if you get the chance)

No complaints about Tanev and what he does for his D partner.

Problem is that Tanev replaces Hamonic and nobody replaces Brodie

Ouch

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Problem is that Tanev replaces Hamonic and nobody replaces Brodie

Ouch

Not really a true statement

Tanev more than replaces Hamonic but improves on Hamonic. Andersson replaces Brodie. The question is, is the huge gain in Tanev counter the loss of Brodie, and what is the difference in the coming seasons as well as Andersson steps up more (if he does)

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Problem is that Tanev replaces Hamonic and nobody replaces Brodie

Ouch

Actually Nesterov replaced Hamonic

That’s how bad he was

Problem is Gio and Andersson are playing like crap

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flame On

What is the obsession on this site with whether people "saw things coming". We're critiquing moves by the GM not hockey board posters.

The point is the poster was complaining about no moves to get a RW. Except Treliving has signed two and tried to get a couple more but got outbid.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Aside from the location, all of those are self imposed. And the location issue could be resolved if the team is actually a contender. Players want to play for a team that's going to win. It's why they were able to sign players like Neal when he was a hot item on the market because they looked like they were poised to start doing damage.

Location for NHL teams doesn't mean much considering the big bulk of the league are Canadians from small towns. Only reason location is a true asset is when your team sucks, and the players value the location, money, and/or opportunity moreso than being on a contender at the start of the contract.

The draft positions he walked into. He got one decent pick at 4th, another at 6 and made consensus picks at each. He traded a 15th. Are you suggesting they should have thrown games? And the core he inherited was not “self-imposed”.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Problem is that Tanev replaces Hamonic and nobody replaces Brodie

Ouch

I would say either Valimaki or Nesterov replaces Hamonic. He was terrible last season and his days as a top 4 defenseman are over.

[Steve Bozek]

Tanev replacing Hamonic is an improvement and Hanifin has improved, so the second pairing is better than last year (now really our best pair). But Andersson replacing Brodie, plus Gio’s decline is a big drop-off from last year. For the third pairing, Andersson plus whomever were probably better than Valimaki and Nesterov....