2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by alan21

Russell has a permanent A and Wideman shares his with Monahan.

Sure, but Wideman was just given his, indicating that right now management/the coaching staff see him as an important cog in the leadership group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Russell is on the outs, but a more recent appointment trumps a former one when judging the likeliness of being moved, IMO

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

What really troubles me is theres a chance we dont have either Ramo or Hiller next year and Ortio is sitting in the press box when he probably needs to start at least 25 games this year. They need to do something about it.

Treliving said that there is a deadline to figure it out. I'm sure that they will have a decision on who will be the odd man out by the end of the month.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Treliving said that there is a deadline to figure it out. I'm sure that they will have a decision on who will be the odd man out by the end of the month.

American Thanksgiving maybe? Seems like a milestone in the season.

[ScorchyScorch]

Trade Ramo first for whatever you can get (3rd/4th). Then look at the possibility of a net upgrade move for right now. Ortio should rightfully be the backup given it's been known for a while now that he was moving to a one-way contract with the team this season, and he's played more than well enough. No worse than the other guys, but with a smaller sample size and the makings to have a high ceiling.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

If there was going to be a package this one would work well. - Klimchuck and Porier make eachother almost expendable. Mcdonald is behind Gillies and Ortio in the prospect pool right now and ramo or hiller is pretty obvious why that works. Tough to give up two 1st rounders in back to back years though.

There are people who rank McDonald as our best goalie prospect, I think Gillies could be better but I'd rather keep all three and hope at least one of them becomes elite at the NHL level. Even with an elite goalie we aren't a contender this year, this isn't the time to be selling top prospects and high draft picks on a "win now" guy. I'd rather be patient, if a great deal comes up then you obviously take it but until then let's not abort the rebuild just yet.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

Trade Ramo first for whatever you can get (3rd/4th). Then look at the possibility of a net upgrade move for right now. Ortio should rightfully be the backup given it's been known for a while now that he was moving to a one-way contract with the team this season, and he's played more than well enough. No worse than the other guys, but with a smaller sample size and the makings to have a high ceiling.

The other guys have one way contracts too, how does the fact that Ortio now also has one mean anything in regards to him being owed or earned a back up spot. As for his play earning it, not sure how you could say that. This team has all the incentive in the world to want Ortio to be in their top two, the fact that Hartley seems to have him number three on the list would suggest he hasn't earned it with his play yet, unless this really is a big rouse to up the other two's trade value, and then I guess that will resolve its self fast enough.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

Trade Ramo first for whatever you can get (3rd/4th). Then look at the possibility of a net upgrade move for right now. Ortio should rightfully be the backup given it's been known for a while now that he was moving to a one-way contract with the team this season, and he's played more than well enough. No worse than the other guys, but with a smaller sample size and the makings to have a high ceiling.

Yup, If the Ramo signing wasn't a head scratcher at the time it sure is now (if there was a deal in the works they obviously put to much stock into it). There was nothing wrong with a Hiller/Ortio tandem to start the year.

That being said it is what it is now and I just hope its resolved sooner than later. Really want to see Ortio in some starts.

Also not crazy about someone getting waived and take starts from Gillies.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

The other guys have one way contracts too, how does the fact that Ortio now also has one mean anything in regards to him being owed or earned a back up spot. As for his play earning it, not sure how you could say that. This team has all the incentive in the world to want Ortio to be in their top two, the fact that Hartley seems to have him number three on the list would suggest he hasn't earned it with his play yet, unless this really is a big rouse to up the other two's trade value, and then I guess that will resolve its self fast enough.

Tough for him to earn it if he doesnt get any starts.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Yup, If the Ramo signing wasn't a head scratcher at the time it sure is now (if there was a deal in the works they pbviously put to much stock into it). There was nothing wrong with a Hiller/Ortio tandem to start the year.

That being said it is what it is now and I just hope its resolved sooner than later. Really want to see Ortio in some starts.

Also not crazy about someone getting waived and take starts from Gillies.

The reason they re-signed Ramo is that Ortio was terrible in each of the first two months of the last two years. In October and the first week and a half of November last year he gave up 5 or 6 goals each game. The year before he started in the ECHL because he was that bad.

You can't have a goalie that plays that badly at the start and you won't know if he'll stop that until you get there. Having Ramo eliminated that problem. Now the Flames have the problem of too many guys, but it is a far better problem to have.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The reason they re-signed Ramo is that Ortio was terrible in each of the first two months of the last two years. In October and the first week and a half last year he gave up 5 or 6 goals each game. The year before he started in the ECHL because he was that bad.

You can't have a goalie that plays that badly at the start and you won't know if he'll stop that until you get there. Having Ramo eliminated that problem. Now the Flames have the problem of too many guys, but it is a far better problem to have.

If that is the case its still perplexing if the intent wasn't to trade Hiller in the summer (or at some point):
1. If there is that little trust in Ortio that you have to sign a guy ahead of him to make him #3 (the backup to the backup) than why even have him around. You will trust him in a couple weeks but not right now?

2. It was basically common knowledge (at least i thought so) that they were trying to trade at least one of Hiller or Ramo before the start of the season which would make Ortio the fulltime backup to start anyways.

I guess i could be way off though.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Did I click on the goalie debate thread?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

I'm not sure Boston would go completely brain dead for us a second time. The only way I see a move for Rask from our side is that Ortio and one of Ramo/Hiller goes with him + we take on really bad contracts and/or add a lot to balance it out. They need a reasonable goalie to go forward too.

IMO Hiller and Ramo for Rask is like discussing Cammy for Drouin.

Do you have trouble with reading comprehension because I put a + sign there for a reason. Boston would need a goalie or goalies to replace Rask for now and of course would want more, either in picks or prospects and no we aren't in position to take back bad contracts.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Jacks

There are people who rank McDonald as our best goalie prospect, I think Gillies could be better but I'd rather keep all three and hope at least one of them becomes elite at the NHL level. Even with an elite goalie we aren't a contender this year, this isn't the time to be selling top prospects and high draft picks on a "win now" guy. I'd rather be patient, if a great deal comes up then you obviously take it but until then let's not abort the rebuild just yet.

First of all I was anti trading any prospects. And was making the same case you are before this post. I voted for no hi cost quick fix.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

Did I click on the goalie debate thread?

Haha. Ya this has probably gone too far.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

Did I click on the goalie debate thread?

No you clicked on the trade speculation thread. But since the flames have 3 goalies earning around 9 million dollars combined most of the talk in here is inevitably going to be about trading a goalie(s) and goalie opinions and philosophy.

Its a good problem to have right now. Let the cream rise to the top and fuel he competition. We may stand to get some great goaltending from this competitive start to the season in the crease. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before a reasonable offer comes in but I personally think the goalie who will be on his way out will be hiller.

He is more desirable for any team acquiring him as he has a solid NHL resume. He is also less desirable for us to keep because I feel he needs a lot of games to get in his rhythm and does worse as a backup than Ramo. I think there are lots of upsides to keeping hiller because he is more proven, reliable and has less deviation in his play. Where as Ramo is either great or terrible. But I do think Ramo is more willing to share the crease and better suited mentally to being a backup and helping Oreo where he can since they play a similar style.

I do think we won a lot of games last year because of the huge difference in their playing styles. Hiller is like the ra dickey of hockey, and Ramo is our fastball guy. It would definitely mess with shooters and screw with their gameplan.

I prefer we keep all 3 for as long as we need to to decide who we want to put our hopes on getting us into the playoffs. It's like an extended camp for the goalies and one is going t get cut. I have a feeling it's hiller and it won't be all about how he plays but also who fits better with Oreo

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Tough for him to earn it if he doesnt get any starts.

That's the point, likely a reason for that......and it's not like this team and coaching staff haven't seen Ortio play lots of hockey the past few years.

[sureLoss]

Aaron Portzline @Aportzline
Much #NHL chatter that #CBJ still shopping F Kerby Rychel. Tonight's game vs. #Blackhawks could well be a showcase for interested parties.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Aaron Portzline @Aportzline
Much #NHL chatter that #CBJ still shopping F Kerby Rychel. Tonight's game vs. #Blackhawks could well be a showcase for interested parties.

We're missing a long-term 2nd line LWer...

[killer_carlson]

I want Chara.

[Hackey]

Seriously?