2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

McDavid was a simple counter point to you saying Rask will be 35 in 6 years. Just saying a lot of players will be 35 and 35+ in number of years.

You're not gonna find a Rask in free agency. Did you see the UFA class this year? It's getting worse and worse every year.

Rask is 29, he doesn't need to trend upwards he needs to stay at his already elite level. I didn't say Rask is a missing piece, I said having him would make us a contender, do you doubt that? this year and next few years.

Last point, Gillies might be great or he might be a bust. We don't know. If you can get a Rask at a cost of Gillies+ you do it, imo.

Regardless, I doubt the Bruins are trading Rask anyways.

I think that was my point the cost would be so high because they wouldnt want to trade him. Who would want to trade him.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Miller without 6 years left on his contract netted Halak, Chris Stewart, a prospect, and a first. And i would say Rask is a better goalie.

Um, It was Miller and Ott that netted that package. And Ott was actually considered a valuable deadline add at that time. Buffalo also immediately dumped Halak, so he didn't seem to have a lot of value to them. And the prospect was William Carrier, who is a B prospect at most. The Flames have lots of those if it came to that.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I think that was my point the cost would be so high because they wouldnt want to trade him. Who would want to trade him.

No team in their right mind would trade Hamilton away, so I don't think you can accurately predict what Sweeney might do.

[Cheerio]

Marchand would be awesome on this team, he's a great scorer who plays well in the playoffs and gets under the skin of the opposition.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Marchand would be awesome on this team, he's a great scorer who plays well in the playoffs and gets under the skin of the opposition.

He was... but now he's a guy with a severe concussion.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Um, It was Miller and Ott that netted that package. And Ott was actually considered a valuable deadline add at that time. Buffalo also immediately dumped Halak, so he didn't seem to have a lot of value to them. And the prospect was William Carrier, who is a B prospect at most. The Flames have lots of those if it came to that.

If your arguement is that rask wouldnt net at least equivalent to a couple good prospects a first and a second your dreaming.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

No team in their right mind would trade Hamilton away, so I don't think you can accurately predict what Sweeney might do.

You reallize one guy has lots of term left and the other was gonna get offer sheeted?

Apples and oranges.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

If your arguement is that rask wouldnt net at least equivalent to a couple good prospects a first and a second your dreaming.

I'm not even trying to predict what it would cost. I'm just saying that Rask is an elite goalie and I would like the Flames to be in on any elite goalie that hits the market. I'll leave it up to Treliving to make the deal, as he seems to be good at it. And it's a bonus that Sweeney seems to be bad at it...

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I'm not even trying to predict what it would cost. I'm just saying that Rask is an elite goalie and I would like the Flames to be in on any elite goalie that hits the market. I'll leave it up to Treliving to make the deal, as he seems to be good at it. And it's a bonus that Sweeney seems to be bad at it...

Fair enough. I think rask would cost to much though. They would definitely be better off with a bonified top10 number 1 than what they're rolling with right now thats for sure

[Caged Great]

I'd trade one of Klimchuk/Poirier + McDonald + Ramo or Hiller + 1st for Rask.

That would be a lot of assets heading to the Bruins, but wouldn't really hurt us much.

[Fire]

Not a fan of having a huge cap hit with a goalie, especially on a guy that has a long term deal. Way too risky. I rather roll the dice on Ortio and Gillies and sign a capable veteran back-up if needed.

[Samonadreau]

I dont know why i just feel like we should see what Gillies and Ortio have to offer. We've got a capable starter in Hiller for this year. It would be nice to get ortio the full time backup job and get a good sample size in.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I'd trade one of Klimchuk/Poirier + McDonald + Ramo or Hiller + 1st for Rask.

That would be a lot of assets heading to the Bruins, but wouldn't really hurt us much.

If there was going to be a package this one would work well. - Klimchuck and Porier make eachother almost expendable. Mcdonald is behind Gillies and Ortio in the prospect pool right now and ramo or hiller is pretty obvious why that works. Tough to give up two 1st rounders in back to back years though.

[Yanda]

We wont bring in a 4th Goalie, even if 1 moves out. Thats just unrealistic not to mention it blow alot of our assets going forward for a minor upgrade.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Yanda

We wont bring in a 4th Goalie, even if 1 moves out. Thats just unrealistic not to mention it blow alot of our assets going forward for a minor upgrade.

If you got Rask, you'd like see the other of Ramo/Hiller get dealt as well to recoup a pick or two.

[Yanda]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

If you got Rask, you'd like see the other of Ramo/Hiller get dealt as well to recoup a pick or two.

Then we would still have 3 NHL goalies and be vastly over budget in net.

I personally dont even consider Rask a top 5 Goalie, If Chicago can win with Crawford and Detroit could win with Osgood then we can win with Ramo.

If getting a elite goaltender was the anwser then Montreal and NYR would have a stanley cup in recent years.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Yanda

Then we would still have 3 NHL goalies and be vastly over budget in net.

I personally dont even consider Rask a top 5 Goalie, If Chicago can win with Crawford and Detroit could win with Osgood then we can win with Ramo.

If getting a elite goaltender was the anwser then Montreal and NYR would have a stanley cup in recent years.

You mean the guy that won the Vezina two years ago?


Edit: and Crawford>>>>>>>Ramo

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Yanda

Then we would still have 3 NHL goalies and be vastly over budget in net.

I personally dont even consider Rask a top 5 Goalie, If Chicago can win with Crawford and Detroit could win with Osgood then we can win with Ramo.

If getting a elite goaltender was the anwser then Montreal and NYR would have a stanley cup in recent years.

You would trade one of the goalies to Boston

You would trade the other to another team for picks

Rask + Ortio would be the tandem. Unless you're calling Gillies an NHL goalie, I don't know where you're getting the extra goalie from.

Rask is in the top 10. Have a D like Calgary's in front of him and he'd be one of the best.

Yes, Chicago has won with Niemi and Crawford, but in both cases the team in front of him was so good that it took a huge amount of pressure off. Crawford is a top 15 goalie though, where Niemi is about as good as Ramo. However, the Flames do not have anywhere near the talent the Hawks did when they won with Niemi, and aren't as good when they won the other two times. They need a great goalie. Whether you develop that internally by having either Ortio or Gillies figure things out and they become amazing, or you trade for one, it will need to be done.

The reason why the Canadiens haven't had much success is because the team in front of Price is terrible. The Rangers are not that good either, although they are better than the Habs. If either team was closer in terms of talent as the Ducks, Kings, or Hawks from the past handful of years they would have a cup or more between them. Take either of those goalies away and replace them with Hiller and they cease being playoff teams and that's not a slight to Hiller.

If there is a way to improve your team, regardless of position, you do it as long as the acquisition cost makes sense.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

You would trade one of the goalies to Boston

You would trade the other to another team for picks

Rask + Ortio would be the tandem. Unless you're calling Gillies an NHL goalie, I don't know where you're getting the extra goalie from.

Rask is in the top 10. Have a D like Calgary's in front of him and he'd be one of the best.

Yes, Chicago has won with Niemi and Crawford, but in both cases the team in front of him was so good that it took a huge amount of pressure off. Crawford is a top 15 goalie though, where Niemi is about as good as Ramo. However, the Flames do not have anywhere near the talent the Hawks did when they won with Niemi, and aren't as good when they won the other two times. They need a great goalie. Whether you develop that internally by having either Ortio or Gillies figure things out and they become amazing, or you trade for one, it will need to be done.

The reason why the Canadiens haven't had much success is because the team in front of Price is terrible. The Rangers are not that good either, although they are better than the Habs. If either team was closer in terms of talent as the Ducks, Kings, or Hawks from the past handful of years they would have a cup or more between them. Take either of those goalies away and replace them with Hiller and they cease being playoff teams and that's not a slight to Hiller.

If there is a way to improve your team, regardless of position, you do it as long as the acquisition cost makes sense.

I am generally with you here as having a true #1 would greatly improve the team. Rask and Ortio makes sense and is in fact, a lower cap hit than current situation.

However, I have to quibble with the bolded parts.

I doubt Boston has an interest in either goalie.

If Hiller or Ramo could be traded for picks so easily, it would have happened already.

The price for Rask is likely too steep. And I really don't want to see the Flames trade another 1st rounder.

[Samonadreau]

What really troubles me is theres a chance we dont have either Ramo or Hiller next year and Ortio is sitting in the press box when he probably needs to start at least 25 games this year. They need to do something about it.