[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[oilboy2]

Originally Posted by 868904

Feaster said in the press conference that Weisbrod specifically watched a lot of college games during the lockout. Made it sound that these are Weisbrod's guys.

@Bob_Stauffer: ...But I spoke to a neutral observer in the business who saw both of the prospects acquired in the Iginla deal..he thinks neither is...
@Bob_Stauffer: ...a lock to be a legitimate scorer in the AHL let alone be a top 9 forward in the NHL. I guess we will see how things play out!

If these are Weisbrods guys perhaps he's not the guy. Then again when there is a window of 4 teams to bargain with it isn't surprising on the return. Maybe teams will be less willing to hand out no trade clauses like candy. Oh wait there are about 20 gms that still will

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Pointman

a&b) It could work if owners support it. Iginla only had leverage if letting him go as UFA would damage Feaster's reputation in the eyes of owners. Once owners say they are fine with Iginla playing out his contract here, he has no leverage to push for Pittsburgh deal.

As for screwing Iginla, I'm not sure if it is indeed screwing Iginla or rather not allowing Iginla to screw the Flames.

That said, I'm investigating situation from pure negotiations/leverages standpoint, because I found it interesting. I'm not implying that Bruins offer was really THAT much better nor that Flames did wrong thing by pleasing their icon. It's just interesting leverages battle to me.

I guess that's true, but it really doesn't make any sense (which with this group possibly makes it more likely).

And whether it's actually screwing Iginla or not at the end of the day taking that stand would put Flames management in a pretty negative light league wide.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Dan Bylsma stated just now that the lines will be:

Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Neal-Malkin-Iginla

Makes total sense. Neal moves back to his natural side, he's a left handed shot and Iginla moves in with Malkin and him.

Iginla adds such depth and options for the Penguins. Unreal. Iginla is going to do well without the weight of the team on him.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by oilboy2

@Bob_Stauffer: ...But I spoke to a neutral observer in the business who saw both of the prospects acquired in the Iginla deal..he thinks neither is...
@Bob_Stauffer: ...a lock to be a legitimate scorer in the AHL let alone be a top 9 forward in the NHL. I guess we will see how things play out!

If these are Weisbrods guys perhaps he's not the guy. Then again when there is a window of 4 teams to bargain with it isn't surprising on the return. Maybe teams will be less willing to hand out no trade clauses like candy. Oh wait there are about 20 gms that still will

Or perhaps the 'neutral observer' is not the guy. I love how the opinion of some random schmo just must be bang on while the opinion of anyone in the Flames organization is clearly wrong.

[Kaine]

Haha Cal puck mentioned on the Fan, good stuff.

[dammage79]

Yeah heard that too.

[Barca]

I wonder what Feaster and management saw in Hanowski and Agostino? Alot of Pens fans dont even know who the heck they gave away... Both are not even top 10 prospects in their system and that 1st is likely a early 2nd.

Preety underwhelming return for Iginla.. but in fairness, Feaster didnt really have much leverage considering that Iggy made his choice clear and Shero knew it.

With said, i would've thought you guys would get atleast one of Maata/Bennett/Despres/Pouliot/Harrington and Dumoulin.

[JazzyFlame]

When does it get easier?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

so a team can't sign a college player while he's still in school? and once they're done they go to free agency. so what's the point of drafting them then?

Like Velo said they can sign and leave school at any time... it's no different then if a CHL guy refused to sign and one advantage is that you have to sign CHL guys within two years. NCAA bound guys you maintain exclusive signing rights over for four years. Gives the drafting team extra evaluation time and free's up a year or two of developmental resources. I like that the Flames are drafting more NCAA bound guys personally.

The Wings do it all the time and they do alright by it.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by oilboy2

@Bob_Stauffer: ...But I spoke to a neutral observer in the business who saw both of the prospects acquired in the Iginla deal..he thinks neither is...
@Bob_Stauffer: ...a lock to be a legitimate scorer in the AHL let alone be a top 9 forward in the NHL. I guess we will see how things play out!

If these are Weisbrods guys perhaps he's not the guy. Then again when there is a window of 4 teams to bargain with it isn't surprising on the return. Maybe teams will be less willing to hand out no trade clauses like candy. Oh wait there are about 20 gms that still will

Well, they were drafted so obviously others think they have NHL potential.

I don't think these are Weisbrod's guys as much as they are simply the best Pittsburgh would do. The list wasn't 4 teams at this point. It was one team - Pittsburgh. Iginla took Boston out of it and it doesn't sound like either LA or Chicago made an offer. It's not like the Flames said that Agostino and Hanowski were the parts they wanted over guys like Maatta, Bennett, Pouliot, Depres, etc... This is what the Pens offerred to a GM with nowhere else to go.

Quite frankly, Shero is a real humanitarian for not even pulling the 1st off the table or making it conditional on winning the Cup. Shero is smart enough to know that it isn't always good business to totally screw people and kick them when they're down. A more respected GM than Feaster might have garnered more goodwill though.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Barca

I wonder what Feaster and management saw in Hanowski and Agostino? Alot of Pens fans dont even know who the heck they gave away... Both are not even top 10 prospects in their system and that 1st is likely a early 2nd.

Preety underwhelming return for Iginla.. but in fairness, Feaster didnt really have much leverage considering that Iggy made his choice clear and Shero knew it.

With said, i would've thought you guys would get atleast one of Maata/Bennett/Despres/Pouliot/Harrington and Dumoulin.

Yup I figured the first was a given but definitely expected a more "known" commodity for Iggy. Was Feaster stuck on getting two prospects? I would have been happy if it were a first and Despres or Pouliot rather than the way it panned out. Quality over quantity.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Like Velo said they can sign and leave school at any time... it's no different then if a CHL guy refused to sign and one advantage is that you have to sign CHL guys within two years. NCAA bound guys you maintain exclusive signing rights over for four years. Gives the drafting team extra evaluation time and free's up a year or two of developmental resources. I like that the Flames are drafting more NCAA bound guys personally.

The Wings do it all the time and they do alright by it.

But, if a CHL guy doesn't sign, he risks going into the draft and going undrafted and really hurting their pro chances. 99% of the time, it's a pretty strong incentive to sign.

A university player becomes a free agent. A lot of the time, this is a good reason not to sign.

[drPepper1]

Not sure if posted. Players around the league make comments on the big trade:

http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=main/latest/1/0/894127/clip/510

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Yup I figured the first was a given but definitely expected a more "known" commodity for Iggy. Was Feaster stuck on getting two prospects? I would have been happy if it were a first and Despres or Pouliot rather than the way it panned out. Quality over quantity.

The Flames had no leverage. I am sure the big name prospects weren't on the table and Agostino and Hanowsky were only targeted by default. Of course, I wouldn't expect Feaster to say that.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

But, if a CHL guy doesn't sign, he risks going into the draft and going undrafted and really hurting their pro chances. 99% of the time, it's a pretty strong incentive to sign.

A university player becomes a free agent. A lot of the time, this is a good reason not to sign.

They also have to spend 2 more years not getting paid to get that right. There's advantages and disadvantages to both.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Barca

Both are not even top 10 prospects in their system.

By which ranking? HF had Agostino in there top 10 (albeit at spot 10, which with the subtraction of Morrow would have him at #9) and Hanowski at #12 (or #11 post Morrow) so their both borderline top 10 guys in Pittsburghs system. By their ranking system that would make them the 4/5 or 5/6 guys in our system.

C'mon... give'em a chance.

[Flames_Gimp]

anyone know when Iggy will join the pens?

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by #-3

Our current management has a bigger hard on for NCAA players than our last had for WHL players. No Doubt Pit knows that and used that to work a better deal for themselves.

Boston If Pit had the AHL guys and Boston had the College guys, Iggy would be a Bear right now not a Penguin.

Sole Sourcing prospects = failure.

Oh please. More revisionist history.

2012 (3 CHL, 3 USHL, 1 high school)

Mark Jankowski C CAN 6' 2" 168 HIGH-QC Stanstead College
Patrick Sieloff D USA 6' 0" 192 USHL USA U-18
Jon Gillies G USA 6' 4" 216 USHL Indiana
Brett Kulak D CAN 6' 1" 181 WHL Vancouver
Ryan Culkin D CAN 6' 1" 176 QMJHL Quebec
Coda Gordon L CAN 6' 0" 176 WHL Swift Current
Matthew Deblouw C USA 6' 0" 179 USHL Muskegon

2011 (3 CHL, 1 USHL, 1 European league)

Sven Baertschi L CHE 5' 10" 181 WHL Portland
Markus Granlund C FIN 5' 11" 166 FINLAND-JR. HIFK Jr.
Tyler Wotherspoon D CAN 6' 1" 196 WHL Portland
John Gaudreau L USA 5' 6" 137 USHL Dubuque
Laurent Brossoit G CAN 6' 3" 200 WHL Edmonton

2010 ( 4 CHL, 1 USHL, 1 NCAA)

Maxwell Reinhart C CAN 6' 1" 180 WHL Kootenay
Joey Leach D CAN 6' 3" 187 WHL Kootenay
John Ramage D CAN 6' 1" 184 WCHA U. of Wisconsin
Bill Arnold C USA 6' 0" 218 USHL USA U-18
Michael Ferland L CAN 6' 0" 195 WHL Brandon
Patrick Holland R CAN 6' 0" 167 WHL Tri-City

Eighteen draft picks in the last three years, and only ONE of those drafted out of the NCAA. Five more currently playing in the NCAA.

Hardly sole sourcing. If there's any criticism here it would be about not drafting out of the European leagues.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Yup I figured the first was a given but definitely expected a more "known" commodity for Iggy. Was Feaster stuck on getting two prospects? I would have been happy if it were a first and Despres or Pouliot rather than the way it panned out. Quality over quantity.

Dumoulin or Harrington would've been perfect replacement for Jaybo.

That way theres a forward (Baertschi) a defenceman (Dumoulin/Harrington) to build a young core with. Then go hard after Bernier and BAM you got your young core to build around on.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Hustle

I'd bet if Feaster did that Meehan squeals to the media thus completely blacklisting teh organization amongst the players. You can play hardball with players during negotations... but this wasn't a normal trade as much as people might have wanted it to be.

It's not Iginla's fault that management didn't surround him with talent and took forever to finally man-up and start this rebuild... but make no mistake - Iggy was driving this trade. You try to bully him and the incremental gain you might have gotten in that Boston deal isn't worth the external issues you ruin into from a PR/reputation standpoint amongst iggy's peers.

I think this pretty much shows how badly Feaster bungled the entire process if this is even remotely true.

Meehan shouldn't have any knowledge of anyones offers or interests and nor should Iginla.

Feaster should have waited until a team had an offer that he was comfortable accepting from Iginla's short list, present to Iginla, then had him give a yes or no answer.

Meehan wouldn't have been able to say Jack.