[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I just got this from one of my Boston friends:



Any truth to that or is he full of ####?

Ya it's truth. Not that big of a deal though

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I just got this from one of my Boston friends:



Any truth to that or is he full of ####?

All drafted NCAA players that have been there for 4 years (post draft) are UFAs come August if they haven't been signed.

You can't sign a college player until they are done with school.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Good god, look at that 2nd line. I would give my left nut for that to be the 1st line of the flames.

Yup and they still have Morrow, Sutter, Adams, Cooke, Kennedy, Bennett (sent down today) in the bottom 6.

Pittsburgh apparently isn't done moving and is going to look at adding players for their 4th line.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

LOL, anyone listening to fan960 right now? The drunk guy who called in is hilarious.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I just got this from one of my Boston friends:



Any truth to that or is he full of ####?

It's true, but more than likely he will sign. He is not going to have every team in the NHL lining up for his services.

[Roof-Daddy]

Took a long, long time, but the Flames finally got Iggy TWO #1 centers to play with.

[gargamel]

Without knowing how the Flames' scouts viewed Koko or the college guys, we really don't have any reason to believe that Feaster had any strong preference for the Bruins deal over the Penguins deal. If he felt that the deals were roughly equivalent, he made the right decision to do right by Iginla.

If Pittsburgh had offered a significantly worse package than Boston did, then maybe he considers playing hardball with the guy who has been the heart and soul of the franchise for over a decade, but I don't have any reason to believe that the Flames saw it that way.

[Enoch Root]

just curious: did the Flames specifically ask for these players, or did Pitt just throw them out there?

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by oilboy2

This should be a lesson to anytime in the league thinking about a rebuild. Don't hold on to your tradeable assets until they are worth nothing.

Its not necessarily a lesson about rebuilding either. It's a lesson for most organizations at every level. The best and most sustainable organizations through the long term won't get too emotionally attached to people, will regard them pragmatically as assets and will categorize those assets as emerging, stable or declining talent.

Iginla's value to the Flames became weighted more about business, the sustainability of the season ticket base and its eventual transition to a new building. Too much reliance on that and not enough on the simple fact you've eventually got to win to impress people and keep them happy.

Players get old. They fade away. You've got to work around that. Or you end up being in a forced rebuilding phase while you're moving to a new building.

Cowperson

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I just got this from one of my Boston friends:



Any truth to that or is he full of ####?

Other posters have explained all NCAA players are UFA in August once they complete their 4th year. We only have a problem if the player refuses to sign with Calgary.

Basically your Boston friend has no idea what he's talking about.

However what pisses me off about this is the usual suspects will convert useless statements like this into fact and use it as another excuse to dump on Flames management, and around and around we go.

Not that I have a problem with people dumping on Flames mangement so long as it's constructive and the complaints are rooted in truth...

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Its not necessarily a lesson about rebuilding either. It's a lesson for most organizations at every level. The best and most sustainable organizations through the long term won't get too emotionally attached to people, will regard them pragmatically as assets and will categorize those assets as emerging, stable or declining talent.

Iginla's value to the Flames became weighted more about business, the sustainability of the season ticket base and its eventual transition to a new building. Too much reliance on that and not enough on the simple fact you've eventually got to win to impress people and keep them happy.

Players get old. They fade away. You've got to work around that. Or you end up being in a forced rebuilding phase while you're moving to a new building.

Cowperson

You're right, players do get old and fade away however the Calgary Flames missed out on a huge opportunity to have Jarome retire as a Flame by making shoddy trades and decisions.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

just curious: did the Flames specifically ask for these players, or did Pitt just throw them out there?

Feaster said in the press conference that Weisbrod specifically watched a lot of college games during the lockout. Made it sound that these are Weisbrod's guys.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Haha saw this on a sport board:

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Other posters have explained all NCAA players are UFA in August once they complete their 4th year. We only have a problem if the player refuses to sign with Calgary.

Basically your Boston friend has no idea what he's talking about.

However what pisses me off about this is the usual suspects will convert useless statements like this into fact and use it as another excuse to dump on Flames management, and around and around we go.

Not that I have a problem with people dumping on Flames mangement so long as it's constructive and the complaints are rooted in truth...

so a team can't sign a college player while he's still in school? and once they're done they go to free agency. so what's the point of drafting them then?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Its not necessarily a lesson about rebuilding either. It's a lesson for most organizations at every level. The best and most sustainable organizations through the long term won't get too emotionally attached to people, will regard them pragmatically as assets and will categorize those assets as emerging, stable or declining talent.

Iginla's value to the Flames became weighted more about business, the sustainability of the season ticket base and its eventual transition to a new building. Too much reliance on that and not enough on the simple fact you've eventually got to win to impress people and keep them happy.

Players get old. They fade away. You've got to work around that. Or you end up being in a forced rebuilding phase while you're moving to a new building.

Cowperson

Which actually isn't necessarily a bad place to be. New buildings sell tickets, just like good teams, so if you're not going to have the latter it's a pretty good time to have the former.

[RedMileDJ]

CJAY 92 (@CJAY92) tweeted at 3:12 PM on Thu, Mar 28, 2013:
Here's the recap of the Jarome Iginla trade yesterday, according to Twitter… https://t.co/dr4N5BJpIO #Flames #yyc
(https://twitter.com/CJAY92/status/317383832632442881)

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by valo403

Or he's smart enough to know that a) the bluff wouldn't work, and b) not trading Iginla would be absolutely idiotic.

He would also be poisoning a relationship with an agent who reps a number of high profile players and would establish the franchise as one that is willing to screw over the greatest player in its history. Sounds like a brilliant way to run a team right there.

a&b) It could work if owners support it. Iginla only had leverage if letting him go as UFA would damage Feaster's reputation in the eyes of owners. Once owners say they are fine with Iginla playing out his contract here, he has no leverage to push for Pittsburgh deal.

As for screwing Iginla, I'm not sure if it is indeed screwing Iginla or rather not allowing Iginla to screw the Flames.

That said, I'm investigating situation from pure negotiations/leverages standpoint, because I found it interesting. I'm not implying that Bruins offer was really THAT much better nor that Flames did wrong thing by pleasing their icon. It's just interesting leverages battle to me.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

so a team can't sign a college player while he's still in school? and once they're done they go to free agency. so what's the point of drafting them then?

They can sign and leave school at any time.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

so a team can't sign a college player while he's still in school? and once they're done they go to free agency. so what's the point of drafting them then?

Yes, and what he meant was all undrafted NCAA players are UFA. They are UFA all four years, and but once you get paid to play or are offered future money to play, you are ineligible to be part of the NCAA.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by 868904

Feaster said in the press conference that Weisbrod specifically watched a lot of college games during the lockout. Made it sound that these are Weisbrod's guys.

Our current management has a bigger hard on for NCAA players than our last had for WHL players. No Doubt Pit knows that and used that to work a better deal for themselves.

Boston If Pit had the AHL guys and Boston had the College guys, Iggy would be a Bear right now not a Penguin.

Sole Sourcing prospects = failure.