Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Why are so many conservative Canadians such feckless traitors and like the United States more than their own country? I truly hope the Conservative Party implodes and conservative politics in this country dies for decades for this disgusting act of treason that so many are engaging in like Ezra Klein and everyday people with their 51st State bull####.

Pathetic clucks - the L

Ezra Levant, you mean? Ezra Klein is a left-leaning U.S. political commentator, Levant is the treasonous Rebel Media dickwhistle.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

From what I've been able to read, a lot of the support that Mark Carney would potentially gain as Liberal Leader to close the gap on the Conservatives is actually coming from the NDP. Which maybe suggests the Liberals should be looking to go more extreme to the left to try and entice more NDP support into their party.

Nah, I think it's more the opposite. Mark Carney is a well known (relatively speaking), well regarded central banker who has also worked on Wall Street... that's not the dippers M.O.

He's already taken in a good chunk of them by virtue of appearing to be a serious, competent, even-tempered, adult at the table and I think a serious normal human being has a lot of appeal right now... but he's not going to be pulling in Campus club types so it makes no sense to position himself to try.

In fact I think it makes more sense to try and pull in folk who would otherwise be swing voting for the CPC. You know the folk who don't give a whit about any of the culture warrior baloney and also just want a serious competent stable person who can prudently speak to the nations finances without drifting into slobbering cryptobro blather.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Why are so many conservative Canadians such feckless traitors and like the United States more than their own country? I truly hope the Conservative Party implodes and conservative politics in this country dies for decades for this disgusting act of treason that so many are engaging in like Ezra Klein and everyday people with their 51st State bull####.

Pathetic clucks - the L

Assuming you mean Levant, it’s at least partly about the money for him. His takes weren’t always as completely far-fetched as they are now, but he realized the further away from the mainstream he drifted, the more viewers and money he brought in.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by madmike

Assuming you mean Levant, it’s at least partly about the money for him. His takes weren’t always as completely far-fetched as they are now, but he realized the further away from the mainstream he drifted, the more viewers and money he brought in.

The 10-15% of Canadians that want to be the 51st state essentially are his target audience and since they are on the fringe there's no 'news' outlet to cater to their fringe beliefs. Ezra actually secretly wants to see the Liberals win federally and the NDP to win provincially so he can rile up these folks and bilk them out of cash.

[Fuzz]

Naw, Ezra's always been a top tier chunder head. Remember the Banana affair?

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...ab733bb36.html

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Nah, I think it's more the opposite. Mark Carney is a well known (relatively speaking), well regarded central banker who has also worked on Wall Street... that's not the dippers M.O.

He's already taken in a good chunk of them by virtue of appearing to be a serious, competent, even-tempered, adult at the table and I think a serious normal human being has a lot of appeal right now... but he's not going to be pulling in Campus club types so it makes no sense to position himself to try.

In fact I think it makes more sense to try and pull in folk who would otherwise be swing voting for the CPC. You know the folk who don't give a whit about any of the culture warrior baloney and also just want a serious competent stable person who can prudently speak to the nations finances without drifting into slobbering cryptobro blather.

Well is that opinion or do you have anything to back that?

The one CBC poll had Conservatives at 43, Liberals at like 21 and NDP at 26

With Carney it was 40 Conservatives, 37 Liberal and 13 NDP.
So that swing vote is like 3%. The rest of the support appears to be a combination of disgruntled Liberals coming back and some Singh/NDP moving to Carney. Conversely Freelund was at 26 with the Consat 40 and NDP back to 24. So it seems the Conservatives will be 40% plus or minus. Than it's a matter of NDP or Liberal. Granted this is based on decided voters. So there will be a few undecided votes, and they likely would back Carney over a Populist, especially if Trump has another 35 days like the ones he's had. But that's nothing more than my gut speculation.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Well is that opinion or do you have anything to back that?

The one CBC poll had Conservatives at 43, Liberals at like 21 and NDP at 26

With Carney it was 40 Conservatives, 37 Liberal and 13 NDP.
So that swing vote is like 3%. The rest of the support appears to be a combination of disgruntled Liberals coming back and some Singh/NDP moving to Carney. Conversely Freelund was at 26 with the Consat 40 and NDP back to 24. So it seems the Conservatives will be 40% plus or minus. Than it's a matter of NDP or Liberal. Granted this is based on decided voters. So there will be a few undecided votes, and they likely would back Carney over a Populist, especially if Trump has another 35 days like the ones he's had. But that's nothing more than my gut speculation.

I think what you're seeing is further left (NDP) voters turning to Carney because the alternative is just too horrible for them.
They know we're getting PP or Carney and given everything in context right now, you take the centrist.

NDP people see a real chance to keep PP out, so they're moving their support behind a strong race horse, even if it's not their first choice.

Carney shouldn't go more extreme left because he can already get those votes, and more importantly that doesn't represent his views or what Canadian's need.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Well is that opinion or do you have anything to back that?

The one CBC poll had Conservatives at 43, Liberals at like 21 and NDP at 26

With Carney it was 40 Conservatives, 37 Liberal and 13 NDP.
So that swing vote is like 3%

This is just wrong. It's not the same 100 people shifting allegiances. The entire landscape changed with the tariff thing.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

The 10-15% of Canadians that want to be the 51st state essentially are his target audience and since they are on the fringe there's no 'news' outlet to cater to their fringe beliefs. Ezra actually secretly wants to see the Liberals win federally and the NDP to win provincially so he can rile up these folks and bilk them out of cash.

I agree with this, except that I thought I read last week that Pierre was planning to give federal funding to them and some other outlet. He probably doesn't know what to root for now. If the Liberals win, it's easy money, and he goes on about his life in the same way. If the CPC wins, suddenly you get federal money...but you're kind of beholden, and I don't know that donors are lining up with the same ire if you just support Ottawa.

[Azure]

Liberal Party FTW!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1894350819262091283

[troutman]

Can we not use “dippers” to describe NDP supporters? It’s meant as a childish insult.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Azure

Liberal Party FTW!

More like worlds largest economy separating from the pack FTW. Sounds like we better stop subsidizing them.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by troutman

Can we not use “dippers” to describe NDP supporters? It’s meant as a childish insult.

I don't find it insulting at all. Its a nickname as much as calling a Liberal a Grit or a Conservative a Tory. I refer to myself as a dipper all the time.

[Monahammer]

Resource development has and always will be the real key to Canadian GDP growth.

We need to develop our resources. We need mines. We need export facilities. If we have those two things, we will return to being a productive nation. Until then, we will continue to build on the widening gap with the US.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I don't find it insulting at all. Its a nickname as much as calling a Liberal a Grit or a Conservative a Tory. I refer to myself as a dipper all the time.

or the Reform Party a Deplorable.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I don't find it insulting at all. Its a nickname as much as calling a Liberal a Grit or a Conservative a Tory. I refer to myself as a dipper all the time.

It’s closer to Libtard than Grit or Tory. It implies you have your hands out for welfare. I never heard another NDP supporter identify as a dipper. Definitely intended as an insult on Facebook.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

More like worlds largest economy separating from the pack FTW. Sounds like we better stop subsidizing them.

Good thing they voted out the party that got them there so we can all catch up.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by troutman

It’s closer to Libtard than Grit or Tory. It implies you have your hands out for welfare. I never heard another NDP supporter identify as a dipper. Definitely intended as an insult on Facebook.

Oh, then I'm a big dipper.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by troutman

It’s closer to Libtard than Grit or Tory. It implies you have your hands out for welfare. I never heard another NDP supporter identify as a dipper. Definitely intended as an insult on Facebook.

Oh well I've never heard it referred to having your hand out for welfare.. I must not hang out with the people who think like that. I've always used it like a short form of saying NDPer. When you say NDPer it slangs out to dipper in my head. I'll have to watch out for that.

I guess it could be like my Grandfather was a proud "Newfie", but when I talk to people today they think Newfie is derogatory and want to be called Newfoundlanders.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by troutman

It’s closer to Libtard than Grit or Tory. It implies you have your hands out for welfare. I never heard another NDP supporter identify as a dipper. Definitely intended as an insult on Facebook.

Isn't the full insult "bin dipper" as in someone who eats out of trash bins? It's basically a term of endearment for Liverpool fans (j/k).