[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Jiri Hrdina]

^Again explain to me the Gio for nothing criticism.
Every team lost someone.
If they had traded Gio than another player, like Kylington, would have been picked.
I don't get that criticism.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

^Again explain to me the Gio for nothing criticism.
Every team lost someone.
If they had traded Gio than another player, like Kylington, would have been picked.
I don't get that criticism.

It’s bulletproof complaining. Pick a timeline, the same complaint is made for every decision.

[Royle9]

So the draft is quickly approaching, one would assume the Flames would want at the very least a GM lined up prior to June 28th yea?
Ideally both the GM and Coach figured out, new GM may want to look at some new scouting staff (Lord knows we could use it) and then some of the utility coaches should probably be cleaned up.

Is it realistic to think the Flames could/should have their management setup in the next 51 days (less than 2months)?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Royle9

So the draft is quickly approaching, one would assume the Flames would want at the very least a GM lined up prior to June 28th yea?
Ideally both the GM and Coach figured out, new GM may want to look at some new scouting staff (Lord knows we could use it) and then some of the utility coaches should probably be cleaned up.

Is it realistic to think the Flames could/should have their management setup in the next 51 days (less than 2months)?

Sounds like they have already started talking to a lot of people based on reports this morning.

Former GM, never been a gm. Mark Hunter and Eric Tulsky have been mentioned along with the assistant in Toronto.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The best you can say about Treliving is that he is not terrible

There is no data to show that he is beyond mediocre but the Flames had history of bad GMs so he looked good to SOME

Last sentence is silly.

What data are you looking for?

He has a solid draft record (more value later in the draft)
Great RFA signing record
Most of his transactions were solid.

Traded too many picks assuming a core was ready that wasn't.
Didn't fair well with coaching hires (Peters gets an asterisk).
Some poor UFA choices.

That's the data. How each person interprets and weights those things are up to them, but so say there is no data that supports something is silly.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

^Again explain to me the Gio for nothing criticism.
Every team lost someone.
If they had traded Gio than another player, like Kylington, would have been picked.
I don't get that criticism.

It was clear the Flames would lose Gio from the moment Tanev outplayed him in his first year. The Flames were missing the playoffs and could have got a fairly decent return for Gio at the time but chose to hold on and chase the 8 seed.

I think the problem many had with Treliving and the organization is the lack of intellectual honesty when they were on the bubble. Instead of selling they would keep their players. Same thing happened in 2020 with Brodie and Hamonic.

In 2015 they took the approach and it gave them the assets they needed to acquire Hamilton at the draft

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It was clear the Flames would lose Gio from the moment Tanev outplayed him in his first year. The Flames were missing the playoffs and could have got a fairly decent return for Gio at the time but chose to hold on and chase the 8 seed.

I think the problem many had with Treliving and the organization is the lack of intellectual honesty when they were on the bubble. Instead of selling they would keep their players. Same thing happened in 2020 with Brodie and Hamonic.

In 2015 they took the approach and it gave them the assets they needed to acquire Hamilton at the draft

I think you can insert any GM into the Flames and they will have the same issue.

If they're close they're not selling assets.

Now we heard they discussed moving assets at the deadline this year, but the price wasn't met. That could mean a change in thinking. Could also mean prices were set so high by Edwards that it was more than unlikely.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Royle9

So the draft is quickly approaching, one would assume the Flames would want at the very least a GM lined up prior to June 28th yea?
Ideally both the GM and Coach figured out, new GM may want to look at some new scouting staff (Lord knows we could use it) and then some of the utility coaches should probably be cleaned up.

Is it realistic to think the Flames could/should have their management setup in the next 51 days (less than 2months)?

I think their pro scouting has been not great, but what's the issue with the amateur scouts. Moreover, even if you want to make changes there, you can't do that for this draft. It's far too late.
I suspect that it will be Todd Button's draft to run. Not a bad thing given recent record.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It was clear the Flames would lose Gio from the moment Tanev outplayed him in his first year. The Flames were missing the playoffs and could have got a fairly decent return for Gio at the time but chose to hold on and chase the 8 seed.

OK and then they would have lost someone else (e.g. Kylington)
So that has to be part of the math.
Gio+2nd lost player for whatever return they could get.

Perhaps they looked at it and decided it wasn't worth it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Sounds like they have already started talking to a lot of people based on reports this morning.

Former GM, never been a gm. Mark Hunter and Eric Tulsky have been mentioned along with the assistant in Toronto.

Link to those reports?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Link to those reports?

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https://www.sportsnet.ca/podcasts/32-thoughts/

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by traptor

Hiring a young/progressive GM doesnt really matter because they will be neutered by this organization anyways. The overall objective is already in place.
Maloney said it all in his previous presser. They think this team can compete for a playoff spot, and that if you can get in, anything can happen. They will keep and re-sign as many of the 2024 UFAs as they can under that mentality.

The new GM will be brought in to facilitate player signings and a couple cap related trades.
They have to trade atleast one guy this offseaaon so the new GM will facilitate that I guess.

I mean, part of it is yes if you get in anything can happen. The 8th seed Panthers are now +350 to win the Cup. Only team ahead of them is the Oilers at +330 and the Oilers are only greater because their fans keep betting on them.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Royle9

So the draft is quickly approaching, one would assume the Flames would want at the very least a GM lined up prior to June 28th yea?
Ideally both the GM and Coach figured out, new GM may want to look at some new scouting staff (Lord knows we could use it) and then some of the utility coaches should probably be cleaned up.

Is it realistic to think the Flames could/should have their management setup in the next 51 days (less than 2months)?

Depends on who is coming in. If the new Flames GM was heavily involved with another team's draft preparation, there will likely be a condition they can't take part in the Flames draft table and preparation.

In any case they are probably stuck with the current scouting staff until this draft is over. Even if the new guy wants to restructure the amateur scouting department, not really enough time for new guys to come in.

Most likely you see Maloney and Button run the Flames draft if they go with an external candidate.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

With the dust settling I think the organization is making the right move cleaning the slate and getting rid of both Treliving and Sutter. Treliving couldn’t execute his plan of building around Gaudreau and Tkachuk and while his reactionary moves looked amazing on paper last year we sit here today with the worst spot to be in as the team with the best record outside the playoffs. The giving up a 1st to dump Monahan and sign Kadri looks like the type of move that sets the organization back significantly.

His best move was the Hurricanes trade and that set the organization up for at least a 4 year window (longer if he could get Chucky/Johnny signed). The problem with his moved were the subpar coaches he chose to lead them. Nothing about Bill Peters lead me to believe this was a top coach and the fact no one else was interviewed was a mistake.

I do think losing Brodie, Hamonic (due to the cost to acquire), Giordano, Gaudreau for nothing is not the best look. I have no issue with the organization moving on from Treliving.

I agree with most of this, but not the losing Giordano for nothing. He made a good roster decision there - protection of a young asset over one more year of an aging Giordano - and then tried to work out a deal with Seattle to not choose Giordano. However, he felt Seattle was asking too much in return for not taking Giordano.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think you can insert any GM into the Flames and they will have the same issue.

If they're close they're not selling assets.

Now we heard they discussed moving assets at the deadline this year, but the price wasn't met. That could mean a change in thinking. Could also mean prices were set so high by Edwards that it was more than unlikely.

So you are telling us thst Edwards set the prices for moving out assets?
Where do you get this info from?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

With the dust settling I think the organization is making the right move cleaning the slate and getting rid of both Treliving and Sutter. Treliving couldn’t execute his plan of building around Gaudreau and Tkachuk and while his reactionary moves looked amazing on paper last year we sit here today with the worst spot to be in as the team with the best record outside the playoffs. The giving up a 1st to dump Monahan and sign Kadri looks like the type of move that sets the organization back significantly.

His best move was the Hurricanes trade and that set the organization up for at least a 4 year window (longer if he could get Chucky/Johnny signed). The problem with his moved were the subpar coaches he chose to lead them. Nothing about Bill Peters lead me to believe this was a top coach and the fact no one else was interviewed was a mistake.

I do think losing Brodie, Hamonic (due to the cost to acquire), Giordano, Gaudreau for nothing is not the best look. I have no issue with the organization moving on from Treliving.

Yes, with Hamonic, the main issue was the cost to acquire, since the loss of Hamonic was complicated by the shortened pandemic season and Hamonic's personal decision to not return to active play as allowed by the NHL/NHLPA agreement. The pandemic took away any opportunity Treliving would have had to get a return by trading Hamonic.

The loss of Brodie hurt, but not many teams will trade away a top pairing D when they are entering the playoffs at or near the top of their conference, and in fact most teams in this position will give up major futures to add a player like this.

The loss of Gio in a contract year was the best possible outcome of the expansion draft, as it gave the Flames more cap space and avoided them losing a younger, controllable asset, like Kylington.

The loss of Gaudreau hurt the most. If possible, he should have been extended the previous summer, and if I remember correctly, Gaudreau indicated that he had been open to signing at that time if the price was right. Of course, that was after a down season, and his subsequent career-best season could not have been anticipated at that time, so it always looks worse in hindsight.

[Macindoc]

Having said that, with Sutter fired, now is an ideal time to move on to someone different, Treliving was given a good chance to execute his vision for the team and was not entirely successful in doing so, particularly with his many poor coaching hires. The new GM will have the ability to pick their own coaching staff right from the start, as they should.

[Strange Brew]

The Gio contract and then ultimately exposing him in expansion is absolutely one of the best moves of BT's tenure.

I have been very critical of the GM on here and excited for a new start in that role. But getting the value they did for Gio during his peak years and then having someone else on the hook for the last year was perfect.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Is it realistic to think the Flames could/should have their management setup in the next 51 days (less than 2months)?

100%. Somebody will be hired in the next two weeks.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Cobra

So you are telling us thst Edwards set the prices for moving out assets?
Where do you get this info from?

Statement started with "could mean" so not sure why you're treating it like inside information.

Lots of smoke about Calgary wanting to make the playoffs as the org's goal. That would certainly suggest a GM may be kept from selling when a handful of points out.