Wild Card Race (Western Conference)

[Red Menace]

So Flames have no chance to be the wildcard at this point, only the 2nd or 3rd seed.
So we should all be cheering for WPG to beat Colorado and clinch a spot....then the final game is meaningless for them...in case we need to win it.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

So Flames have no chance to be the wildcard at this point, only the 2nd or 3rd seed.
So we should all be cheering for WPG to beat Colorado and clinch a spot....then the final game is meaningless for them...in case we need to win it.

Nvm

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

So Flames have no chance to be the wildcard at this point, only the 2nd or 3rd seed.
So we should all be cheering for WPG to beat Colorado and clinch a spot....then the final game is meaningless for them...in case we need to win it.

Well if the Wild lose, there's still potential for the Jets to pass Minnesota and theoretically grab the easier divisional winner.

A Winnipeg win and a Minnesota win Thursday would set in stone their positions regardless of game 82 though. So hope for both and Arizona to beat the Canucks I guess.

[Red Menace]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Well if the Wild lose, there's still potential for the Jets to pass Minnesota and theoretically grab the easier divisional winner.

A Winnipeg win and a Minnesota win Thursday would set in stone their positions regardless of game 82 though. So hope for both and Arizona to beat the Canucks I guess.

Of course that presumes teams really want to avoid Anaheim as opposed to whoever wins the Central.
I personally think all 3 of the big Central teams are better than ANA.
In any case, I don't think that would be much motivation either way for the Jets.

[Hemi-Cuda]

If the NHL had used a 3-point system, the Flames would have already clinched by now

http://hockeystandings.info/?page=th...2015&view=wild

LA is really being propped up by that loser point

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

If the NHL had used a 3-point system, the Flames would have already clinched by now

http://hockeystandings.info/?page=th...2015&view=wild

LA is really being propped up by that loser point

But that website isn't separating out the regulation and overtime/shootout wins.

Currently the system they are using are:
3 points for a regulation win
3 points for an overtime/shootout win
1 point for an overtime loss
0 points for a regulation loss

And I don't think many, if any, are advocating for that system. Would mean 4 point games instead of 3 when they reach extra time.

If the teams got 2 points for an overtime/shootout win:

Calgary has 9 OT wins and 4 OT losses with 4 shootout wins and 3 losses. That would give the Flames a 31-13-7-29 record
Los Angeles has 1 OT win and 7 OT losses with 2 shootout wins and 8 losses. Giving the Kings a 36-3-15-26 record.

In a 3-2-1-0 format:
Flames: 126
Kings: 129

[pylon]

Anyone who thinks any lower seed team will get steam rolled needs to take a good hard look at the standing. Nobody has more than 41 ROW's in the west right now. Basically the top teams were the ones that capitalized on the shoot out. Which we all know means jack in the playoffs.

ROW's: St.Louis 40, Nash 41 , Chi 39 , Ana 42 , Van 40 , Cgy 40 , Minn 41 , Wpg 35.

Outside of the Jets, it's pretty much a dead heat. Anyone from the west could go to the final as all these games are decided as a ROW. There is a lot more parity than appears.

[Hockey]

Originally Posted by pylon

Anyone who thinks any lower seed team will get steam rolled needs to take a good hard look at the standing. Nobody has more than 41 ROW's in the west right now. Basically the top teams were the ones that capitalized on the shoot out. Which we all know means jack in the playoffs.

ROW's: St.Louis 40, Nash 41 , Chi 39 , Ana 42 , Van 40 , Cgy 40 , Minn 41 , Wpg 35.

Outside of the Jets, it's pretty much a dead heat. Anyone from the west could go to the final as all these games are decided as a ROW. There is a lot more parity than appears.

I won't be surprised at any team making the finals.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by pylon

Anyone who thinks any lower seed team will get steam rolled needs to take a good hard look at the standing. Nobody has more than 41 ROW's in the west right now. Basically the top teams were the ones that capitalized on the shoot out. Which we all know means jack in the playoffs.

ROW's: St.Louis 40, Nash 41 , Chi 39 , Ana 42 , Van 40 , Cgy 40 , Minn 41 , Wpg 35.

Outside of the Jets, it's pretty much a dead heat. Anyone from the west could go to the final as all these games are decided as a ROW. There is a lot more parity than appears.

crazy to look at that, people don't realize how good the Flames have been this season

[mrkajz44]

Still skewed a bit though as OT is 4 on 4 in the regular season, rather than the normal 5 on 5 in the playoffs. However, the general point still stands - no one has really excelled in just regulation and overtime, it's the shootout that is making the standings look so different.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Still skewed a bit though as OT is 4 on 4 in the regular season, rather than the normal 5 on 5 in the playoffs. However, the general point still stands - no one has really excelled in just regulation and overtime, it's the shootout that is making the standings look so different.

Think this is right.
St. Louis: 35 regulation wins
Nashville: 33 regulation wins
Chicago: 36 regulation wins
Anaheim: 34 regulation wins
Vancouver: 35 regulation wins
Calgary: 31 regulation wins
Minnesota: 37 regulation wins
Winnipeg: 31 regulation wins
Los Angeles: 36 regulation wins
...
Arizona: 14 regulation wins

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

If the NHL had used a 3-point system, the Flames would have already clinched by now

http://hockeystandings.info/?page=th...2015&view=wild

LA is really being propped up by that loser point

What am I missing? I clicked on that link and it showed the Flames out of the playoffs by one point, which would make sense to me in a 3 point system.

What it highlights is the common misperception that the current system "props" up teams that get loser points. What it highlights are the teams that get "propped" up are teams who's higher % of wins come in the form of gimmicky 4 on 4 hockey or the shoot out. In this case, that is the Flames benefiting from more than their share of OT wins than others.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by pylon

Anyone who thinks any lower seed team will get steam rolled needs to take a good hard look at the standing. Nobody has more than 41 ROW's in the west right now. Basically the top teams were the ones that capitalized on the shoot out. Which we all know means jack in the playoffs.

ROW's: St.Louis 40, Nash 41 , Chi 39 , Ana 42 , Van 40 , Cgy 40 , Minn 41 , Wpg 35.

Outside of the Jets, it's pretty much a dead heat. Anyone from the west could go to the final as all these games are decided as a ROW. There is a lot more parity than appears.

Umm, yes?


Also worth adding LA has 37 ROW

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

What am I missing? I clicked on that link and it showed the Flames out of the playoffs by one point, which would make sense to me in a 3 point system.

What it highlights is the common misperception that the current system "props" up teams that get loser points. What it highlights are the teams that get "propped" up are teams who's higher % of wins come in the form of gimmicky 4 on 4 hockey or the shoot out. In this case, that is the Flames benefiting from more than their share of OT wins than others.

Looks like the website goofed up earlier today. Before everyone had 0 OTW and their wins were just how many total wins (regulation, overtime and shootouts).

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Without Gio and Ramo, the Flames will go into any series as a massive underdog. But nobody would predict a sweep, simply because the Flames are too unpredictable.

Bouma is the one that will hurt the most IMO. His game is all about the playoffs.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Umm, yes?


Also worth adding LA has 37 ROW

Oops, missed that 1 win...thx.

I guess that means Anaheim is sweeping their way to the cup. Actually every team is just going to forfeit..... they won't even have to win a game.

Regardless, the parity is pretty crazy. Some of these teams were a few hot goalies from being just like the teams battling for this final spot. The shoot out nneds to go, or they just need to eliminate the loser point.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by pylon

Oops, missed that 1 win...thx.

I guess that means Anaheim is sweeping their way to the cup. Actually every team is just going to forfeit..... they won't even have to win a game.

Regardless, the parity is pretty crazy. Some of these teams were a few hot goalies from being just like the teams battling for this final spot. The shoot out nneds to go, or they just need to eliminate the loser point.

If the shootout goes, we drop below LA

[Jets4Life]

I can't even sleep. I wish 7:00 PM would come sooner. A Jets win would clinch a playoff spot for Winnipeg in the NHL playoffs for the first time in 19 years. A Flames win in regulation, would eliminate the Kings, with the Flames and Jets making it to the dance.

GO JETS!
GO FLAMES!

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

If the shootout goes, we drop below LA

Interesting how our perspective changes when we think it supports our argument...

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

I can't even sleep. I wish 7:00 PM would come sooner. A Jets win would clinch a playoff spot for Winnipeg in the NHL playoffs for the first time in 19 years. A Flames win in regulation, would eliminate the Kings, with the Flames and Jets making it to the dance.

GO JETS!
GO FLAMES!

Ya I just woke up and cant get back to bed. I feel like I'm a kid again and its the night before an Oilers/Jets playoff game