07-23-2022, 09:34 PM
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#2061
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Franchise Player
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Flames need to get a top end NHL player signed long term just to get rid of this new stigma
Don't really care if it's a million too much or a year too long
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07-23-2022, 09:35 PM
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#2062
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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07-23-2022, 09:35 PM
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#2063
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by powderjunkie
He has an 8 team no go list which Tre would already have.
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Unless he waived for Calgary in which case I think Calgary can opt to honor it going forward or not
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07-23-2022, 09:36 PM
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#2064
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Why would season 1 not be included?
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07-23-2022, 09:36 PM
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#2065
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Fleury2005
This seems bonkers to me. Similar to the argument we should have traded Johnny before the deadline instead of getting no assets back. You collect assets to make a run now and then. We had a good shot this year so it's one of the years you push your chips into the pot and hope you get lucky. What's the point of just collecting assets year after year after year?
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At what point in the last 20 years would you say the Flames have been collecting assets?
Of course there's no point if you do it year after year, but there's definitely a point if you do it for a year or two.
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07-23-2022, 09:39 PM
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#2066
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NOISIA
Why would season 1 not be included?
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RFA year.
He better hope they don't Subban him and trade him later this year.
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07-23-2022, 09:40 PM
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#2067
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Originally Posted by NOISIA
Why would season 1 not be included?
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because season 1 is a RFA year.
NTC/NMC can only be applied to UFA years.
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07-23-2022, 09:41 PM
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#2068
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by NOISIA
Why would season 1 not be included?
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That's his last RFA year. Players can only receive NTCs after they've completed their seven years' service (and qualified for UFA).
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07-23-2022, 09:45 PM
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#2069
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Unless he waived for Calgary in which case I think Calgary can opt to honor it going forward or not
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Nope, the option of not honouring it after a trade was removed in the 2020 CBA update.
Even still, it was only an option if the NTC/NMC hadn't yet started (Nashville chose to not honour Subban's NTC when they acquired him from Montreal, for example).
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Also, as mentioned, another thing that was changed in the 2020 CBA is if a player's contract extends past the next upcoming trade deadline, he can be signed to an 8-year extension by his current team regardless of when he was acquired. Tkachuk didn't have a contract for 2022-23, so he could only sign for 8 years with the Flames, which is why his contract was a sign and trade. Huberdeau and Weegar can sign 8 year deals with Calgary if they want to.
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07-23-2022, 09:54 PM
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#2070
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Originally Posted by midniteowl
Honest question, were you ok when they offered Gaudreau $10.5 x 8?
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Nope. I wasn't. I thought he deserved 8 x $9.5 or so. I was happy in many ways he left because I see now how bad contracts can really mess a team up. But at $9.5 I was pretty alright with it.
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07-23-2022, 10:01 PM
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#2071
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Just to further add to this, so many people are scared of your number 1 asset leaving for nothing, but if they overachieved and if you even overpay by $1MM/season, and every year they get worse and worse and that contract looks worse, you'll eventually have to pay someone else to take that contract off your hands. When it gets in the millions of dollars for these once all-stars, nobody wants to take on that much salary so you're more or less stuck with them unless you pay a ton. How is that good for your team? So you get said player for 4 years until they decline, then what?
I'm really against long term contracts for aging players. I wouldn't be thrilled with Tkachuk getting a long term contract because I don't believe his skillset translates to star money, but if Gaudreau was that same age (23ish), an 8 year deal makes sense. But at 29? No way. Get a sense of what they want before hand, set arbitrary deadlines, and sell them for other assets. Tampa in particular took a lot of odd gambles this year which I think will bit them hard in a few years.
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07-23-2022, 10:05 PM
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#2072
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by fleury
Nope. I wasn't. I thought he deserved 8 x $9.5 or so. I was happy in many ways he left because I see now how bad contracts can really mess a team up. But at $9.5 I was pretty alright with it.
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You know what contracts mess teams up?
Overpaying depth.
You know what contracts don’t mess teams up?
Paying for elite talent.
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07-23-2022, 10:09 PM
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#2073
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Atomic Nerd
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Yoho
Nope.
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Yes, after the crazy rants, conspiracy theories, and angry things 14 has said in the last few years, 14 should be open season again. Hockey history/legacy is not some sacred thing that should be held without accountability if players do bad things off the ice.
Last edited by Hack&Lube; 07-23-2022 at 10:12 PM.
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07-23-2022, 10:13 PM
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#2074
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
No bonus is included in cap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
No, bonus IS included in cap!
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I appreciate this.
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07-23-2022, 10:14 PM
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#2075
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
Yes, after the crazy rants, conspiracy theories, and angry things 14 has said in the last few years, 14 should be open season again. Hockey history/legacy is not some sacred thing that should be held without accountability if players do bad things off the ice.
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Yeah I couldn’t care less, but I also believe retiring numbers to never be worn again is stupid.
Put the name in the rafters but who cares if someone else wears an arbitrary number.
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07-23-2022, 10:15 PM
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#2076
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacks
RFA year.
He better hope they don't Subban him and trade him later this year.
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Lol I'd laugh if he ended up in Winnipeg
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07-23-2022, 10:19 PM
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#2077
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
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11 thanks for a random Panthers fan predicting pretty much the exact trade that no one in the hockey world saw coming, two days prior to the trade? That is just crazy stuff.
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07-23-2022, 10:26 PM
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#2078
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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re: Comixzone (quoting isn't working right now), I'd think both would mess up any organization. I don't think you should overpay for any of them. It really depends what percentage over the value you overpay each, though when it comes to real dollar amounts when you start to get into the millions you become a liability.
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07-23-2022, 10:33 PM
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#2079
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Atomic Nerd
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
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This guy just ran an NHL 22 simulation with Huberdeau on the top line and we end up missing the playoffs with a 32-52-8 record for 30th in the league.
Lindholm and Huberdeau dropped to 59 points lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxI_FLECy3c
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07-23-2022, 10:34 PM
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#2080
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
This guy just ran an NHL 22 simulation with Huberdeau on the top line and we end up missing the playoffs with a 32-52-8 record for 30th in the league.
Lindholm and Huberdeau dropped to 59 points lol
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This is how I really know it's a good trade.
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