Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Populists parties are especially vulnerable to this kind of party activism. Even if CPC strategists do the electoral math and chart a moderate path to victory, if the wannabe MAGA wing of the party isn’t onboard, they’ll rebel and either force Poilievre out or tear the party apart.

So you actually think the conservative agenda is to become americans?

All they want is a balanced budget and for their government to get out of the way.

Not sure how you make that connection. Seems like a bit of a stretch.

[Codes]

Originally Posted by Goriders

All they want is a balanced budget and for their government to get out of the way.

I guess that is one way of putting it.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Goriders

So you actually think the conservative agenda is to become americans?

All they want is a balanced budget and for their government to get out of the way.

Not sure how you make that connection. Seems like a bit of a stretch.

No, it’s not a bit of a stretch. They are pro Trump bootlickers.
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[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Goriders

So you actually think the conservative agenda is to become americans?

All they want is a balanced budget and for their government to get out of the way.

Not sure how you make that connection. Seems like a bit of a stretch.

No I don’t really think it’s thier agenda to become Americans, but I’m not sure I can distinguish many elements of their platform from the MAGA one. That’s a big problem for me.

It’s not really about government getting out of the way, if you are paying any attention at all it’s an absolute farce to say government is getting out of the way down south. They have done the most in a short time to tell Americans and American companies what is right or wrong. They are directing federal agencies to look for companies under their purview to potential prosecute for having dei initiatives. That’s government getting out of the way? Give me a break. So many more examples of the absolute culture war being swiftly enacted, and unfortunately at this point in time I have a tough time seeing the difference between much of what the CPC is aging vs MAGA. They have an opportunity to distinguish themselves at any point in time here.

[Roughneck]

Where do blanket tariffs fall on the 'getting out of the way' spectrum?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Drak

No, it’s not a bit of a stretch. They are pro Trump bootlickers.
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Surprise surprise. You are replying to one... lol

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Goriders

So you actually think the conservative agenda is to become americans?

All they want is a balanced budget and for their government to get out of the way.

Not sure how you make that connection. Seems like a bit of a stretch.

That’s what moderate Canadian conservatives want. The populist far fight want to:

* Remove the ability of science experts to shape public policy.

* Unleash a campaign of revenge against the people responsible for covid measures.

* Sell out the Ukraine to Russia, because “NATO expansion was an act of aggression.”

* Pull out of European alliances.

* Cut foreign aid.

* Stop accepting refugees.

* Remove the independence of the Bank of Canada.

* Promote crypto to resist the sinister machinations of ‘global finance’ (aka “Jews”).

* Indulge every whack-job conspiracy theory from pedophile rings, to UFOs, to the moon landings.

* Chalk up global warming to a Chinese conspiracy and cease all efforts to reduce carbon emissions.

* Abolish any and all recognition of transgendered identities.

* Kowtow to the U.S. on every foreign policy dispute, because Canada is socialist and broken.

* Shut down the CBC and suppress any other mainstream media that won’t hew to populist narratives.

Maple MAGA is real. We all know these people on social media and real life. They’re quite open about their agenda.

[BigThief]

Look at Cliff, jumping down off that fence post he's been sitting on.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Goriders

So you actually think the conservative agenda is to become americans?

All they want is a balanced budget and for their government to get out of the way.

Not sure how you make that connection. Seems like a bit of a stretch.

Could you direct me to the party that has this belief so that I can vote for them.

[#22]

Originally Posted by Goriders

So you actually think the conservative agenda is to become americans?

All they want is a balanced budget and for their government to get out of the way.

Not sure how you make that connection. Seems like a bit of a stretch.

Forgot “Owning the Libs”

[calgarygeologist]

Nvm, I'm behind on the news.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Look at Cliff, jumping down off that fence post he's been sitting on.

Meh. I've been one of Cliff's biggest critics on here, but I'm never going to chastize someone for course-correcting when they see what a sham the current iteration of the CPC is.

I get wanting to punish the Liberals, but I think the faster we purge the remaining Reform ideologues in this country, the better it'll be for everyone.

Even though I don't really agree with how much conservatives embrace capitalism, I can tolerate it a lot more when it's not attached to anti-science rhetoric and bigotry.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Meh. I've been one of Cliff's biggest critics on here, but I'm never going to chastize someone for course-correcting when they see what a sham the current iteration of the CPC is.

I get wanting to punish the Liberals, but I think the faster we purge the remaining Reform ideologues in this country, the better it'll be for everyone.

Even though I don't really agree with how much conservatives embrace capitalism, I can tolerate it a lot more when it's not attached to anti-science rhetoric and bigotry.

Or you have failed in your judgement of cliff and he’s always been this way. Couldn’t be possible you are ever wrong though so I guess not.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Or you have failed in your judgement of cliff and he’s always been this way. Couldn’t be possible you are ever wrong though so I guess not.

You okay, li'l buddy? Seems like you're having some big feelings there.

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by Goriders

So you actually think the conservative agenda is to become americans?

All they want is a balanced budget and for their government to get out of the way.

Not sure how you make that connection. Seems like a bit of a stretch.

Extending Trump Tax Cuts will Add 4.6 Trillion to the deficit

I will gladly cast my vote for the party that has the most credible plan to balance the budget. But, this seems to no longer be the priority for far-right conservatives. The focus is on exclusively on tax cuts. I guess the theory is that program spending will eventually sort itself out, once the debt servicing costs become crippling?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Extending Trump Tax Cuts will Add 4.6 Trillion to the deficit

I will gladly cast my vote for the party that has the most credible plan to balance the budget. But, this seems to no longer be the priority for far-right conservatives. The focus is on exclusively on tax cuts. I guess the theory is that program spending will eventually sort itself out, once the debt servicing costs become crippling?

Carney was on Rosie Barton's show this morning and mentioned that his plan is for deficit spending to continue in order to grow the economy. The premise behind Trudeau's comment years ago about the budget balancing itself was the same as Carney's where deficit spending focused on investing in the economy was supposed to have the net benefit of balancing the budget via economic activity and taxation. That worked out so well in practice.

[DFO]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Carney was on Rosie Barton's show this morning and mentioned that his plan is for deficit spending to continue in order to grow the economy. The premise behind Trudeau's comment years ago about the budget balancing itself was the same as Carney's where deficit spending focused on investing in the economy was supposed to have the net benefit of balancing the budget via economic activity and taxation. That worked out so well in practice.

Well the difference presented was one of expanding or developing important infrastructure to support the economy vs tax cuts that really only result in stock buy backs and possible dividend increases.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Meh. I've been one of Cliff's biggest critics on here, but I'm never going to chastize someone for course-correcting when they see what a sham the current iteration of the CPC is.

I get wanting to punish the Liberals, but I think the faster we purge the remaining Reform ideologues in this country, the better it'll be for everyone.

Even though I don't really agree with how much conservatives embrace capitalism, I can tolerate it a lot more when it's not attached to anti-science rhetoric and bigotry.

Yeah, just busting balls. Not oddly upset like fotze up there

[afc wimbledon]

You want to see what Conservatism in Canada will look like then just cast your gaze to the UK, the Tories there have broken the country, they privatized everything in sight, cut taxes, made major cuts to the budget in the name of austerity.

Weirdly all this did was destroy the economy and made the UK poorer, a 20% cut to the police didn't save money because crime exploded, filling the jails to bursting and massively increasing insurance and private security costs, massive cuts to the health service didn't save money because sick people can't work and pay taxes so the UK's disability benefit numbers exploded while increasing private healthcare

It tuns out private companies aren't more efficient than the Government at running essential services but unlike the Government they are really efficient at engaging in predatory pricing when they have a monopoly on essential services and they don't care about public opinion and see killing the occasional customer as just a reasonable cost of business

Right wing fantasy economics has broken the UK, quite possibly forever

[blender]

Originally Posted by Goriders

All they want is a balanced budget and for their government to get out of the way.

I'd be very leery of anyone campaigning on a balanced budget right now. It will be impossible in the uncertainty of the next 4 years (at least) without cutting social spending in a Trumpian way.