Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You’re not doing politics right if you don’t mention that PP’s coat was taxpayer funded and Carney’s shoes aren’t.

Should taxpayers really be paying these people to buy thousands of dollars worth of COATS when people are struggling to put FOOD on the table?

Something like that.

Jagmeet should donate some of his Rolex's to a food bank or something so that he can show that he really is a man of the people.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Jagmeet should donate some of his Rolex's to a food bank or something so that he can show that he really is a man of the people.

Nope, doesn’t count. He’s actually had a job that wasn’t taxpayer funded before. Plausible deniability.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-statemen...-ihra-handbook







The party of anti-semitism?

Unfortunately, yes. The party of antisemitism.

https://www.cija.ca/ndp_must_stop_pl...unity_s_safety

“It is troubling that the NDP continues to align with marginal groups who argue against the widely accepted International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism—a definition adopted by Canada in 2019 and endorsed by more than 40 nations globally as the gold standard in identifying and combating this dangerous prejudice.

“The fight against antisemitism cannot be a debate in which those most affected are sidelined: Canadian Jews, like all communities, have the right to define the hatred that targets them. “Nothing about us without us” underscores the principle that Jewish voices must be central in defining and addressing the antisemitism that we endure. The IHRA definition exists precisely because antisemitism is often nuanced, and its many facets—including those rooted in anti-Zionist rhetoric—must be named if we are to confront this age-old hatred. This definition has been upheld by an overwhelming international consensus because it addresses the reality of modern antisemitism, which often manifests as hostility toward Israel that goes beyond legitimate policy critique.

“The IHRA definition is not about limiting free speech. It is about ensuring that governments, school boards, university administrations, unions, and civil society organizations can recognize and confront antisemitism in all its forms. When the NDP suggests that legitimate criticism of state policies could be “silenced” by IHRA, they perpetuate a damaging mischaracterization. In fact, IHRA states explicitly that “criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.”

“The Jewish community deserves effective protections against hate, not political platitudes that dismiss our lived experiences. It is irresponsible for the NDP to advocate for an alternative definition not widely recognized that dilutes our ability to challenge antisemitism in all its forms. This stance is part of a pattern of increasingly egregious dismissals of Jewish perspectives on antisemitism from NDP MPs.

“We urge NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, as NDP leaders before him have done, to show true leadership by rejecting this misguided stance within his caucus. Otherwise, he is complicit in erasing the Jewish lived experience and in disregarding the overwhelming majority of Canadian Jews who recognize the IHRA definition as essential to combating antisemitism. Hiding behind the 6% of Jews who do not support Israel does not legitimize this stance. It’s time for Mr. Singh to listen to the Jewish community, honour our voices, and stand unequivocally against all forms of antisemitism.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Many reasons to think that poll, which is different than every other poll in the last 10 days may be wrong.

We were saying the same thing about Ekos three weeks ago. Don't underestimate the wind's ability to change rapidly this election season.

[Fuzz]

When the NDP suggests that legitimate criticism of state policies could be “silenced” by IHRA, they perpetuate a damaging mischaracterization. In fact, IHRA states explicitly that “criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.”

From your quote


Can that be perhaps related to this example?

Example 6: Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-he...itism.html#a3a


Because I don't see that as a criticism unique to Israel. For example, Ovechkin gets criticized for his loyalty to Russia. So how is it anti-Semitic? Is this example counter to the intent of IHRA?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

From your quote


Can that be perhaps related to this example?
https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-he...itism.html#a3a


Because I don't see that as a criticism unique to Israel. For example, Ovechkin gets criticized for his loyalty to Russia. So how is it anti-Semitic? Is this example counter to the intent of IHRA?

Is that first quote from CIJA? You can safely ignore anything they say and heavily question anyone that spreads their message as it’s pretty likely they’re islamophobic or very comfortable with it. Maximum crazy.

CIJA has faced criticism due to comments made by staff through news outlets and via its social media accounts. In 2023, Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East criticized "provocative statements" made by CIJA Israel office Director David M. Weinberg. His statements make use of dehumanizing terms to refer to Arabs, Muslims, Palestinians, and human rights activists, calling them “weeds”, “snakes”, “barbarians”, and “terrorists”.

CIJA also faced criticism when it lobbied against islamophobia Motion M103 in a Canadian parliamentary committee, just weeks after the Quebec City mosque shooting, together with B'nai B'rith Canada.

They also have links to the furthest right elements of the current Israeli government and have taken some fairly extreme, hate-driven positions over the last decade. Those guys seriously hate Muslims.

https://www.readthemaple.com/heres-w...ht-government/

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Jagmeet should donate some of his Rolex's to a food bank or something so that he can show that he really is a man of the people.

Or maybe his maserati.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Nobody said anybody does.

Would $2100 shoes be acceptable? $1500? $500? $90? What’s the best price range for shoes to wear in politics is what I’m asking.

$150 sounds about right.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Good lord, who gives a fiddler's f### about Carney's shoes?

Carney

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The owner of Abacus had a tweet up two days ago about how he has a secret system to bump up the conservative vote to allegedly account for historical undercounting of conservative vote.

He also strangely has PP more popular now against Carney than he ever was in all of 2024 against Trudeau.

Many reasons to think that poll, which is different than every other poll in the last 10 days may be wrong.

Every poll is wrong

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Or maybe his maserati.

Are you mistaking a Maserati for a McLaren or something? It’s not the big deal you think it is.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Every poll is wrong

Yep it’s probably best to average them all out and compare them with polymarket for a rough idea of the rate.

From that I think you can draw the conclusion that while conservatives still lead a conservative majority is no longer guaranteed. The election will be interesting. To want more than that right now is asking too much of polling.

As an aside I made a tidy profit on polymarket by buying carney stock and selling it recently. I missed the recent peek but I’m almost starting to believe I’m good at this and it’s not just luck.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by GGG

Yep it’s probably best to average them all out and compare them with polymarket for a rough idea of the rate.

From that I think you can draw the conclusion that while conservatives still lead a conservative majority is no longer guaranteed. The election will be interesting. To want more than that right now is asking too much of polling.

As an aside I made a tidy profit on polymarket by buying carney stock and selling it recently. I missed the recent peek but I’m almost starting to believe I’m good at this and it’s not just luck.

New day job?

[Johnny Makarov]

Carney is doing something right. He has all the deplorables in a tizzy! hahaha

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Or maybe his maserati.

How much money is he going to donate to the food bank so they’ll take the hit on having to own a Maserati?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Unfortunately, yes. The party of antisemitism.

https://www.cija.ca/ndp_must_stop_pl...unity_s_safety

Are the Jewish groups who agree with the concerns they’re raising also anti-Semitic?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Are the Jewish groups who agree with the concerns they’re raising also anti-Semitic?

I am not connected to any of the groups.

Here is the article that kicked off the discussion on CP that I had posted.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...mitism-problem

I always used to say, Jewish values are New Democrat values. And I still believe that, but what I am seeing is that New Democrats are contradicting their own values. They’ve become very unprogressive, particularly the federal party, and their approach to the conflict in Israel and the Middle East is so one-sided. And the comments that I see are so antisemitic. I am sure that Jack Layton is turning over in his grave. Tom Mulcair has spoken out about it, the growth in antisemitism. He was able to shut down this level of hatred and vitriol towards Jews. And so I want voters to pay attention to who they’re voting for, because I do not believe that today’s New Democrats represent progressive values.

Is it your belief the New Democrats are increasing antisemitism in Canada?
Absolutely right. So this is coming for years. This isn’t new. I’ve seen it growing over time, among extreme voices among progressives, and they have become mainstream within progressive circles.

We’re seeing it now in union leadership in particular, and it is so unprogressive. They don’t listen to Jewish voices. The first lesson in racism is listen to those who are most impacted, but Jewish voices are completely silenced and drowned out.

So what we are seeing among leftist politics and extreme voices, they’re very hateful and very dangerous. I also see just politically, there’s a level of pandering to extremist voices, that is I think reprehensible.

As a result, the leadership of progressive federal parties, provincial parties, are aligning themselves with conservative Muslim groups that are anti-Israel.

What were your colleagues’ responses?
My heart is so broken, because the people that I worked with, and for, to create something better here in British Columbia, they were so silent when people were calling for death to Jews.

The lessons of the Holocaust and the lessons of any injustice is not as much the perpetrators, but as those who are the bystander, and that has been the most heartbreaking thing for me.

I thought, “Where are you?” You stood with me, and you stood with the Jewish community, on Holocaust Memorial Day. You said, “Never again.” You posted pictures on social media about the Jewish people; you did all the right things. And when it’s here, when it’s live, and when I’m shamed and afraid, you’re afraid to speak? That is frightening.

So if we really want peace, if we really say that we want to bring people together, then you bring people together. How do we engage in dialogue together, so that we can make sure that Palestinians do get a better life for themselves in the region? Demonizing Israel isn’t how you do it. It just isn’t. And progressives are engaging in demonizing Israel, and by extension, they’re demonizing Jews. You can’t separate Israel from Jews. You just can’t, impossible.

Very serious concerns from someone with first hand information, knowledge, and experience within the inner circle of the NDP.

I would absolutely take this seriously. If this was the NDP that I want people to vote for both federally and provincially with Nenshi, I would want to clean these extremities up within the party.

But maybe it’s just a party that is needing $ and votes any way possible, so they might just have to turn a blind eye to this. I hope not. But it doesn’t look good for them.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I am not connected to any of the groups.

Here is the article that kicked off the discussion on CP that I had posted.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/jack-layton-is-turning-over-in-his-grave-ousted-new-democrat-decries-partys-antisemitism-problem

Very serious concerns from someone with first hand information, knowledge, and experience within the inner circle of the NDP.

I would absolutely take this seriously. If this was the NDP that I want people to vote for both federally and provincially with Nenshi, I would want to clean these extremities up within the party.

But maybe it’s just a party that is needing $ and votes any way possible, so they might just have to turn a blind eye to this. I hope not. But it doesn’t look good for them.

I think I’ll start to take your position on anti-semitism and bigotry within the federal NDP in general a little more seriously when you start holding the guy that supported the protestors in Ottawa who were literally carrying confederate and swastika flags around to the same standard.

Seriously, do you have any actual statements from the party or its elected members that suggests they are trying to actively promote anti-semitism?

Here’s the unbroken link for anyone who wants to read the context of what happened to the person being quoted in doctorfever’s post:https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...mitism-problem

The great irony here is that doctorfever doesn’t seem at all concerned by the Islamophobia allegations. Go figure.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Here’s the unbroken link for anyone who wants to read the context of what happened to the person being quoted in doctorfever’s post:https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...mitism-problem

The great irony here is that doctorfever doesn’t seem at all concerned by the Islamophobia allegations. Go figure.

This has all been discussed and explained to him as well, so perhaps as bad or worse than promoting the views of people who have called Muslims animals and barbarians, doctorfever is mocking Jewish people by using “antisemitism” as a cheap trolling attempt and political play and acting like he doesn’t know the context.

I see he’s also looped Nenshi into this. Pretty clear why. And pretty disgusting.

[Doctorfever]

Nice deflection you two!

I understand, you have no answer for it. But clearly it exists.

Blame me for bringing this to you attention if you want I guess? Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable with the party you support.

For you to say “I’m using Jews” is wrong and pretty disgusting. There are people experiencing antisemitism, and it’s not Doctofevers fault.