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Old 06-27-2025, 10:01 AM   #2041
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Jason Robertson and 18th pick for 2nd or 3rd OA.

Let’s get it done Connie!!
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Old 06-27-2025, 10:02 AM   #2042
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I would be ecstatic if the Flames somehow land Robertson. 26 year old player who has scored 348 points in their last 320 games. That is a superstar and someone the Flames can hopefully build around.
He's a secondary building block. You are not winning if he is the main guy up front.
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Wasn't he hurt for the most part?
Yes,

"After suffering a fluky injury in the final game of the regular season and missing the entire First Round, the superstar winger is back"
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Old 06-27-2025, 10:05 AM   #2044
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Do not want Robertson. The guy isn't a winner, look at how bad is he every playoffs. His compete level is so low, but he has some natural talent.

We already took a guy like that in Huberdeau. This really stinks of another Huberdeau situation.
Where does this come from? He had a pretty average to bad playoffs this last go around, but he scored 13 goals and 34 points in 38 games during the previous two playoff runs.

He doesn't typically use his size to his advantage, which can be a criticism especially in the playoffs, but he hasn't been bad "every playoffs."
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Old 06-27-2025, 10:06 AM   #2045
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Dallas really pushing hard on Andersson. I wonder with their cap issues and if Andersson is willing to sign a long term extension there after next year what the Flames would have to add to Andersson to pry Johnston out of there. RS C and 22. On pace to become a #1 C and makes $8M a year. Assuming Parekh and Wolf are untouchables what else does it take?
Thanks so much for posting this! I know it broke a few brains and like 4 pages of garbage posting from people who can't get there but, man, what an amazing rumour.

This makes sense because Conroy hangs up the phone for pretty much everything else the Stars are offering. We are hunting for a C, not a winger, and not spare parts. We have the best RD on the market and the Stars in particular are unable to go after Ekblad or Dobson because of cap constraints.

If the Stars offer anything less than Johnston then the Flames hang up and go back to talking to CBJ (Sillinger + 14OA), the Mammoth, Bruins, Red Wings, etc. Basically all of those teams beat out the Stars offer until they get to Johnston. Nill says "Johnston" to Conroy and now the Stars are in the conversation.

Now it would come down to value.
  • Johnston is great, but I don't think he is as good as Misa (#20A pick) and he isn't an Eichel either.
  • The Flames have the leverage as we have a number of suitors and the Stars have no cap space to add a #1RD. I don't think the package needs to be as extreme as what it would take to get to Misa.
  • The Flames have cap space to eat some of the Stars other problems (Dumba and Lyubushkin) which would further reduce the need to add much on the Flames side beyond Andersson with retention.

I am going to have to think on this to see what is balanced enough to agree to without forgetting that we have one of the best assets on the Trade Board, who is also one of the best assets on next year's UFA board, and that a bidding war is taking place which nukes all comparables.

This trade starts to look like when the Flames traded away that Hull guy to win the cup.

Super exciting Diss. Thanks again!
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Old 06-27-2025, 10:06 AM   #2046
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This is the mentality that keeps you mediocre.

Take shots. Take chances. Get high end talent.
I think the mentality is maybe don't meet a new incoming player at the airport with the max term, $13 million contract offer.

I'm all for the Flames taking swings like this, but take the time to see how the player melds into the organization before mortgaging the future. The Huby deal was the best one available, and full value to the organization for doing it, but signing the extension as soon as he landed was a massive blunder, one that will hamstring the team for years to come.

You wait out even 6 months, Huby might still be here, but that AAV number would likely be around $6 million.
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Old 06-27-2025, 10:06 AM   #2047
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Wasn't he hurt for the most part?
Everyone plays hurt in the playoffs. His play drops off significantly in every big game. He can't handle the pressure imo and it would be bad to bring him to a hockey market.
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Do not want Robertson. The guy isn't a winner, look at how bad is he every playoffs. His compete level is so low, but he has some natural talent.

We already took a guy like that in Huberdeau. This really stinks of another Huberdeau situation.
Again, this is loser talk. 'Let's never take chances. I like the 15th pick every year!'
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I like Robertson, but if you look at Stanley cup winning teams. He's probably 3-5th best forwards on most of those teams.

Florida for example, I'm taking Barkov, Reinhart and Tkachuk for sure. Do we want to pay him $11-12 mil in a year and pay a ton of assets to get him when he isn't on the level of elite players you need to win?
Including playoffs, he’s over a PPG average with 438 points in 430 NHL games. Those are Johnny-esque numbers. If a 6’3, 207lbs 25 years old elite offensive 5v5 play driver is truly available, you do what needs to be done to get him and sign him for as long as you are able.
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Doubt he has interest playing here? Why? Played in Canada in the ohl. Brother plays in Canada. Fellow Californian Dustin wolf is on our roster. Joining a team on the upswing with lots of cap room that can afford to pay you. There are worse scenarios.

Unless you have specific intel about him not wanting to come, it’s baseless speculation.
Good lord, calm your tits dude. This is a hockey message board. Of course it's just speculation. And guess what? I still stand by it. You're making a bunch of assumptions about him too, which is just speculation on your part as well. Personally, I doubt a player of Robertson's caliber, coming from Dallas, wants to join a small Canadian team in rebuild mode. That's my prediction; and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong - who the #### cares?
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Old 06-27-2025, 10:08 AM   #2051
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Do not want Robertson. The guy isn't a winner, look at how bad is he every playoffs. His compete level is so low, but he has some natural talent.

We already took a guy like that in Huberdeau. This really stinks of another Huberdeau situation.
He had 6G, 16P in 19GP in 2023-24, and 7G 18P in 19GP in 2022-23. Those are some pretty good numbers. If you expect him to be a 100 point guy in the playoffs then sure you're going to be disappointed, but he was still scoring at a 28G, 66P pace over the last 3 seasons.

That's actually skewed because he missed the entire COL series, and it took him a couple of games to get his timing back, so he only put up 1 point in 6 games against WPG. He had 4 goals, 5 points in 5GP against EDM. If you only average 2022-24 then you get a forward scoring at 28G, 73P pace in the playoffs, which I find absolutely worth $10M. For comparison, playoff sam Bennett averaged 36G, 68P in the playoffs over the last 3 years.

If the Flames can get Robertson, then they should! If you're afraid to get another Huberdeau situation then sign him before the TD, or trade him if he doesn't workout.

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Everyone plays hurt in the playoffs. His play drops off significantly in every big game. He can't handle the pressure imo and it would be bad to bring him to a hockey market.
Did you watch how Rasmus played in his last playoff series? lol
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Everyone plays hurt in the playoffs. His play drops off significantly in every big game. He can't handle the pressure imo and it would be bad to bring him to a hockey market.
I remember when this was the word on Tkachuk, too.
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This is the mentality that keeps you mediocre.

Take shots. Take chances. Get high end talent.
I am not necessarily against trading for Robertson, I am just saying that it is not a clear cut home run. Robertson is one of the slowest skaters in the NHL. I also don't like spending so much cap on wingers, that's not the smart way to go long term.
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There is some legit cognitive dissonance going on if there are fans poopooing the idea of having Roberston on the team.
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Everyone plays hurt in the playoffs. His play drops off significantly in every big game. He can't handle the pressure imo and it would be bad to bring him to a hockey market.
He scored 4 of Dallas’ 5 goals in the Edmonton series, including 2 in the game they got eliminated.
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If someone offers a player of Robertsons age and caliber for Rasmu, you take it a run.
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I want to believe otherwise but in the longshot event that calgary gets Robertson you all know that murray is never going to then let conroy trade him for a top pick right? He'll get like 13 x 8 and we will trade him in 2032 for a 4th rounder at the deadline after 5 playoff misses and 2 first round exits
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We don’t really know what Dallas is doing guys.
We know that they didn’t make it to where they want to be.
We know they have significant interest in Rasmus
We know that they covet him
We know Robertson their leading scorer could be on the move
I wouldn’t rule anything out with Dallas… they’re changing the team to try and push them over the edge to get to a cup final..
I’d argue anything’s on the table for the right price.
Thanks for this follow up Royle! That is awesome fuel to the fire while we wait for the draft later today.

Looking at the Stars, it makes sense that they go hard after Andersson because he is potentially the best RD available. Even if Ekblad is more talented and Dobson is younger, they are both going to need massive cap hits and Ekblad breaks easily. Andersson plays the whole season, even with a broken fibula. After the last season, durability must be on the mind of Stars management.

The Stars need to clear cap space and upgrade their #1RD. The Flames do not want a winger. Johnston is the answer.

If it could turn into a 3 way trade where the Flames flip Robertson into Misa then that is cool too, but I don't believe the Sharks would want Robertson more than Andersson.
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