2011 Canadian Election Thread

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Yeah something tells me in your come up a great platform and strategy world that that wont work. Just look at the level of vitriol out there among people such as yourself. You and many Albertans are diecast and the LPC knows and acknowledges it. As a result, the province has been on the political periphery for the better part of 30 years. Even when it's own gets elected it gets nothing out of it because to actually win a majority many of the core idealogical components of the CPC platform need to be significantly compromised and favours passed to the tweeners like QC and ON.

Sure it's a chicken and egg thing but to blame it all on the Upper Canadian Snobs from central Canada is a bit rich.

I don't know how long you've been around, but a bunch of people on here have said they would support the Liberals in Alberta if they could actually provide a decent platform.

But they aren't.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

How many times has Harper visited Alberta since the announcement of the election?

I have no idea...how many?

But beyond that....since his riding is in Alberta I do know he has been there about 1000 times more than Cretin ever was.

But a better argument for you would be to show where he didnt go that doesnt support him...show me that one.

[Tinordi]

Seriously, we're trashing the Liberals by talking about Chretien now? This is getting desperate.

It's now been almost 10 years without Jean Chretien in power. Die cast partisans I tell you. No point arguing with them. Next we'll be talking about the NEP which is 30 years old. Paul Martin also made overtures to Alberta stalling on Kyoto for example, but that's just conveniently forgotten.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I have no idea...how many?

But beyond that....since his riding is in Alberta I do know he has been there about 1000 times more than Cretin ever was.

But a better argument for you would be to show where he didnt go that doesnt support him...show me that one.

So you would have been happy and voted liberal if Chretien flew into Calgary?

I bet Chretien has been in Calgary more times than Anders has in the past 10 years.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

So? How are those comparable? You mean that any type of environmental regulation of the Oil Sands means you're anti-oil sands? Good frickin grief.

Actually I can understand cap and trade, and if implemented fairly without giving breaks to Quebec and Ontario industries it can work. Companies will find ways to reduce their carbon emissions to reduce the cost of credits. This is a market based initiative that gives producers an opportunity to control and improve on their production practices.

Simply stating 'No tanker traffic off the west coast regardless' is the one that really bothers me. That's basically denying the industry the ability to sell it's product to an international market. It would also handcuff LNG ports already under construction at Kitimat. It would also cut back on tankers we already ship from the transmountain pipeline.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Slava

Am I the only one who thinks that if Harper wins a minority and get the confidence of the house that he shares part of the blame?

It all depends. If Ignatieff is already talking about trying to form the government, how likely is it that the Liberals are looking to compromise? It sounds to me that, if he feels that he has a shot to become PM, then it doesn't matter what the Conservatives do, he will take down the Conservatives.

[Tinordi]

Ok then I repeat what's the platform or should it simply parrot the CPC platform?

The more I think about it the more I think the province is a political lost cause which is a big shame and a problem as the province has the most immediate and impacting governance and public policy issues in the country.

Jeffrey Simpson wrote a great article about it a while back.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

What are you talking about? We're talking about compromise between parties here right? How did the CPC compromise on the death penalty? It was illegal when they came in, it's still illegal now. No legislation was tabled to make it legal? What's the compromise?

Same with abortion.

Same with same-sex marriage.

You brought up how the CPC compromises. So lets see it. What I see is removing the poison pill that threatened to existence of at least 2 of the other 3 major parties. Uh huh... and what else?

Uh huh...here is one from just a few months ago.

NDP finance critic Tom Mulcair said he agrees with Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s recent assessment that the two of them found some common ground during a private meeting on the budget. He said those areas included a need to help low-income seniors – perhaps by enhancing the Guaranteed Income Supplement – and possibly renewing incentives for energy-friendly home renovations. Mr. Mulcair said polling shows no party stands to gain now from an election

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

So you would have been happy and voted liberal if Chretien flew into Calgary?

I bet Chretien has been in Calgary more times than Anders has in the past 10 years.

Doubtful, but I most certainly would give them a whole lot more attention as a national party if they....you know...visited all parts of the nation.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Uh huh...here is one from just a few months ago.

Well when reading one half of the story I guess you're right.

http://www2.canada.com/story.html?id=4486520

Pre-budget leaks suggested the Conservatives had conceded to NDP demands to improve Guaranteed Income Supplements for seniors and boost the number of doctors and nurses in Canada. Layton himself was even said to have adopted a conciliatory tone following those leaks.
But even he has said that his final decision would come after he'd read the final document and upon emerging from the budget lock-up Tuesday, Layton was none too impressed.
"Nothing in this budget has persuaded me that Mr. Harper has changed his ways and is prepared to work with others in Parliament to give middle-class families a break," Layton said.

So I guess lip service is compromise? In this political theatre among all actors... I guess so.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Doubtful, but I most certainly would give them a whole lot more attention as a national party if they....you know...visited all parts of the nation.

So if Harper, Ignatieff or Layton or Chretien does not visit Yellowknife or Whitehorse they are not really representing a national party?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Well when reading one half of the story I guess you're right.

http://www2.canada.com/story.html?id=4486520



So I guess lip service is compromise? In this political theatre among all actors... I guess so.

you asked where the CPC had compromised beyond taking away the Liberal parties lifeline of funding...I showed it. The fact that it wasn't good enough for Layton doesn't mean it didnt happen...again, it takes 2 to compromise and in this particular instance, it appears only one did.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by transplant99

you asked where the CPC had compromised beyond taking away the Liberal parties lifeline of funding...I showed it. The fact that it wasn't good enough for Layton doesn't mean it didnt happen...again, it takes 2 to compromise and in this particular instance, it appears only one did.

More like it appears to a blind partisan that only one did.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

So if Harper, Ignatieff or Layton or Chretien does not visit Yellowknife or Whitehorse they are not really representing a national party?

They wont go up there as they are already in possesion of those seats.

Can leaders go to every place in the country...no they canno be expected too. But when/if one of them is elected PM, yes I expect them to actually give a damn about those places.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

More like it appears to a blind partisan that only one did.

Actually I would suggest only someone with blind partisanship would be unable to see the clear compromise as admitted by the NDP finance critic.

[Tinordi]

If anything campaigning to areas where you at least have a chance is an attribute of a good political leader. Shows you understand the concept of efficiently locating resources.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Actually I would suggest only someone with blind partisanship would be unable to see the clear compromise as admitted by the NDP finance critic.

Uhm, where was that again?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

blind partisan

Said the pot to the kettle...

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Uhm, where was that again?

Really?

NDP finance critic Tom Mulcair said he agrees with Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s recent assessment that the two of them found some common ground during a private meeting on the budget

Unless finding common ground means that there was no compromising?

Which would be odd to say the least.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by tinordi

if anything campaigning to areas where you at least have a chance is an attribute of a good political leader. Shows you understand the concept of efficiently locating resources.

lol!!!!