2011 Canadian Election Thread

[Slava]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Fine...did the Liberals compromise on it?

The Conservatives ended up implementing opposition demands in that particular case...that's the way minority parliaments work sometimes. I don't see it as an affront to democracy, but the CPC seems to for some reason.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by old-fart

Agreed. Considering it is the usually Liberal loving CBC, this was a fantastic interview.

Frankly though, I don't think Ignatieff came off very well - didn't look remotely believable to me (yes, I'm partisan). Was asked about his attack ads that he said weren't attack ads yet proceeded to attack. Was asked what the worst thing Harper had said about him and couldn't make a coherent answer, then attacked Harper's trustworthiness. Was asked about the obvious contradiction in him saying people are listening to his message compared to his "no one cares" rise up speech. Was asked about forming a coalition and came up with the headline quote. Was asked about supporting Harper policies over the past few years and now claiming they are evil and could only sputter about trust again.

This interview is not likely to impress any non-hardcore Liberal supporter and will absolutely play well for both Crazy Jack and Harper. There have already been press releases by both roasting Iffy.

I'm actually quite shocked that he came right out and said this. The Conservatives want to talk about a coalition and not about health care, and there he goes and confirms he will try to form a government. The conservatives have never polled higher than during the first weeks of December in 2008 when the original coalition was to be formed. I can imagine this might be what's needed to get Harper over the hump. Then again seeing how Iggy is dropping in the leadership polls and the NDP and Jack Layton is surging, maybe this is a ploy to make sure that the second party asked to form government is his party and not Jack Layton's NDP.

[Tinordi]

The woe is Albertan schtick is getting so old. Yeah Jean Chretien flied over a province that he didn't have a hope electing more than 2 mps. What a jerk. Look at your own damn selves in the mirror if that really bothers you instead of always ever supporting only one party.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Slava

The Conservatives ended up implementing opposition demands in that particular case...that's the way minority parliaments work sometimes. I don't see it as an affront to democracy, but the CPC seems to for some reason.

So what you are saying is that the CPC compromised?

Interesting.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Addick

It seems as though all it takes is the mere whisper of some intent to increase the regulation of the oil sands, be it right or wrong, for the Liberals and NDP to be accused of an Alberta-related hate crime. It is ludicrous to think that the Liberals and NDP would not do whatever is reasonably possible to gain seats in Alberta.

If the Liberals made the effort to reach out to the region - and we both know that simple words won't do it, they would have to spend multiple elections worth of time at this point - to cultivate support, then they would get a great deal more leeway with the local public.

The fact is, they reap what they sow, and have been for decades.

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The woe is Albertan schtick is getting so old. Yeah Jean Chretien flied over a province that he didn't have a hope electing more than 2 mps. What a jerk. Look at your own damn selves in the mirror if that really bothers you instead of always ever supporting only one party.

It doesn't work that way. Come up with a platform, and a strategy for the province that people can get behind, and people will get behind. The Liberal party has long combined arrogance and ignorance in how it deals with us, and consequently have, and deserve, no support at all.

[Tinordi]

What's the example of CPC compromise again? They removed the vote subsidy poison pill? Is that what we're talking about here?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The woe is Albertan schtick is getting so old. Yeah Jean Chretien flied over a province that he didn't have a hope electing more than 2 mps. What a jerk. Look at your own damn selves in the mirror if that really bothers you instead of always ever supporting only one party.

I see...so it was Alberta's own fault that their Prime Minister didnt even acknowledge them and set foot in their province?

Wow....that truly is "kool-aid" territory.

i hope the Liberals get obliterated when I read this kind of stuff.

[Tinordi]

One of Ignatieff's first statements as LPC leader was defending the oil sands to a Quebec audience.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

What's the example of CPC compromise again? They removed the vote subsidy poison pill? Is that what we're talking about here?

no...the CPC wont compromise on anything. They will return a death penalty, they will make abortion illegal and they will dissolve the rights of gays to marry.

I implore you to not vote for them.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

One of Ignatieff's first statements as LPC leader was defending the oil sands to a Quebec audience.

He also talked about a cap and trade policy, as well as mentioning a problem with oil tankers in coastal waters.

[Resolute 14]

Exactly, emtpy words from an empty suit at this point. The Liberals have to earn trust. Simple statements won't do it. Actions will.

[Azure]

Well, the talk about a coalition actually has me concerned.

If the Conservatives DO win a majority, can the Liberals and the Bloc get together and get into power anyways?

[Resolute 14]

No. A majority government has the power to stop any motion by the opposition.

[Tinordi]

It doesn't work that way. Come up with a platform, and a strategy for the province that people can get behind, and people will get behind. The Liberal party has long combined arrogance and ignorance in how it deals with us, and consequently have, and deserve, no support at all.

Yeah something tells me in your come up a great platform and strategy world that that wont work. Just look at the level of vitriol out there among people such as yourself. You and many Albertans are diecast and the LPC knows and acknowledges it. As a result, the province has been on the political periphery for the better part of 30 years. Even when it's own gets elected it gets nothing out of it because to actually win a majority many of the core idealogical components of the CPC platform need to be significantly compromised and favours passed to the tweeners like QC and ON.

Sure it's a chicken and egg thing but to blame it all on the Upper Canadian Snobs from central Canada is a bit rich.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Azure

He also talked about a cap and trade policy, as well as mentioning a problem with oil tankers in coastal waters.

So? How are those comparable? You mean that any type of environmental regulation of the Oil Sands means you're anti-oil sands? Good frickin grief.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Exactly, emtpy words from an empty suit at this point. The Liberals have to earn trust. Simple statements won't do it. Actions will.

Ok what actions then? What's the key to Alberta's heart?

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Azure

Well, the talk about a coalition actually has me concerned.

If the Conservatives DO win a majority, can the Liberals and the Bloc get together and get into power anyways?

No. A majority for any party basically means that we have a friendly dictatorship.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I see...so it was Alberta's own fault that their Prime Minister didnt even acknowledge them and set foot in their province?

Wow....that truly is "kool-aid" territory.

i hope the Liberals get obliterated when I read this kind of stuff.

How many times has Harper visited Alberta since the announcement of the election?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by transplant99

no...the CPC wont compromise on anything. They will return a death penalty, they will make abortion illegal and they will dissolve the rights of gays to marry.

I implore you to not vote for them.

Don't worry because they compromise so readily it won't be a concern.

Am I the only one who thinks that if Harper wins a minority and get the confidence of the house that he shares part of the blame?

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by transplant99

no...the CPC wont compromise on anything. They will return a death penalty, they will make abortion illegal and they will dissolve the rights of gays to marry.

I implore you to not vote for them.

What are you talking about? We're talking about compromise between parties here right? How did the CPC compromise on the death penalty? It was illegal when they came in, it's still illegal now. No legislation was tabled to make it legal? What's the compromise?

Same with abortion.

Same with same-sex marriage.

You brought up how the CPC compromises. So lets see it. What I see is removing the poison pill that threatened to existence of at least 2 of the other 3 major parties. Uh huh... and what else?