iPhone on Rogers - General iPhone on Rogers / Fido discussions

[photon]

I doubt there'll be a lack of applications once the app downloader hits, there'll be too many apps at that point I bet, the problem will probably be too many crappy ones then, just like when palm and windows mobile OSes came out.

I think the background app thing is something they'll eventually give over on, I can understand why they want to do it this way but Android is supporting background apps in a way that won't kill the OS (so they say anyway). The iPhone OS is only getting to version 2, so I think it'll come eventually.

As for the N95, I have one now and while it's a neat device, they keyboard is horrible enough that that alone leaves me wanting to switch to some other device. Plus it's quite bulky and it was crashy and clunky for me, though the latest v2 firmware seems to have smoothed things up quite a bit.

I'll probably get an iPhone to see if I like having it, and then if I don't like it I'll get a SE P5i: http://www.66mobile.com/phone-pictur...-p5-paris.html

[Jing]

Yeah, p5 looks nice...but i really dislike symbian UIQ. Experia x1 looks really nice too....but apparently it has a crappy keyboard and it runs windows. Im all about the symbian s60 right now so I will see what they release later this year.

[Russic]

If I can get an iphone for 70$ per month I would probably go for it. I already pay 35$ for my very regular run-of-the-mill do almost nothing phone. Considering I should be able to swing a free iphone (by selling the ipod touch that'll come with my mac), then I have even more incentive.

Anything more than 70$ though and I'm not totally sure if I can get away with it (the wife is always watching ... watching and judging).

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Jing

Thats the thing i dont like about the iphone, the lack of 3rd party apps (although there are supposed to be many coming out)

Erm.. what?

Via Installer I have 14 3rd party applications on my iPhone.

Best of all has to be the mobile scrobbler for last.fm.

[BBQorMILDEW]

Originally Posted by photon

I agree, sell me on this phone vs. the iPhone

http://images.crackberry.com/files/k...Phone3Gbig.png

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by BBQorMILDEW

http://images.crackberry.com/files/k...Phone3Gbig.png

I don't think comparing the blackberry bold to the iphone is a fair comparison...they're both marketed to two different target groups imo.

And really, according to that sheet you provided there isn't even that much of a difference.

[FlamesKickAss]

so the iphone will have bluetooth but its locked?

[photon]

Originally Posted by BBQorMILDEW

http://images.crackberry.com/files/k...Phone3Gbig.png

Meh, for what I use it for the bigger screen trumps the disadvantages, though I guess we'll see for how much they offer it for.

Plus it will probably be Rogers only, and I want to stay on Fido.

[Bobblehead]

Looking at it for me, I can use a Blackberry to remotely monitor my Oracle databases (EM2go), so I'll be keeping an eye on the prices of the Bold.

(I've been resisting getting hooked into getting a company phone, but it is starting to appear inevitable)

[photon]

You'd think that once the apps open up there'll be lots of those kind of remote admin stuff made for the iphone as well.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by photon

You'd think that once the apps open up there'll be lots of those kind of remote admin stuff made for the iphone as well.

I've been looking, but haven't seen anything so far.

Does the iPhone OS have a Java emulator? Everything gui on the front end for Oracle is java (although I like admining via cli (sqlplus ftw) - oldschool, I guess)

[FanIn80]

(Not yet official!) Rogers iPhone information: activation, data plans, sign-up process, etc.

Rogers and Apple today announced that the iPhone 3G will be available in Canada on July 11. iPhone 3G combines three products into one small, lightweight device: a revolutionary mobile phone, a widescreen iPod, and it puts the Internet in your pocket with the best e-mail, web browsing, search and maps applications ever on a mobile phone.

The new version of the iPhone harnesses the power of Rogers's broad and powerful 3G mobile broadband network, which offers 3G mobile phones download speeds of up to 1.4 Mbps.

Key Device Features:
Operates on Wi-Fi, EDGE, and 3G networks
New enterprise e-mail capability with support for Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync
New iPhone software development kit (SDK) to support new innovative applications

New Activation Process and Return Policy:
The iPhone 3G will be activated at point of sale when the device is purchased, in store. The Fido grace period will change from 15 days to 30 days and will require the device to be returned to place of purchase before service is cancelled. The 30-day Rogers grace period will remain unchanged with the exception of no limits being imposed for voice or data usage.

Pricing and Plans

Device Pricing:
$199 8GB and $299 16GB for new activations and qualified upgrades with existing 2 or 3-year agreements.

Data Plans and Pricing:
The iPhone 3G will be activated on existing Rogers and Fido voice rate plans, but new data plans have been created for the 3G device.

All iPhone 3G customers are required to have one of the new data plans and qualifying voice plan.
Customers intending to use the iPhone 3G for access to corporate e-mail, business applications, or access to corporate intranet are required to activate with Enterprise Data Plan for iPhone.
SUP service discounts for both voice and data plans will apply to iPhone 3G.
RAC service discounts for voice and data will apply to iPhone 3G, when on a qualifying data plan.
Ambassadors will not get a discount on device purchase for iPhone 3G.
Data Pricing will be as follows:

Consumer Data Plan (must be added to qualified voice plan):
$30 - Unlimited Data (E-mail/Web), includes Visual Voicemail when subscribed to any voicemail service.

Enterprise Data Plan (must be added to qualified voice plan):
$45 – Unlimited Data with personal and corporate e-mail, web, includes Visual Voicemail when subscribed to any voicemail service.

Upgrade Eligibility and Qualified Upgrade Pricing
Upgrade eligibility will be determined based on standard upgrade eligibility rules. Customers must be upgrade eligible to receive the qualified upgrade pricing. However, not all customers will be qualified upgrades. Rogers has not determined the price of the 3G device for non-qualified upgrades.

All customers will be required to sign a 3-year agreement. There will not be a "no commitment" price or a 2-year agreement for the iPhone 3G.

Activation Process
The new 3G device will be activated in store in Rogers, Fido and Apple stores. Customers must accept Rogers and Apple terms of service, sign a 3-year agreement, and select the data plan for the iPhone 3G before leaving the store. A short tether process to unbrick the 3G device will be performed in all Rogers and Fido stores (tether cords will be provided). Apple stores will also perform this tether process, however in the event that a customer's device is not tethered in the Apple store, their device will be inoperable until they get home and tether through iTunes. Prepaid will not be allowed on the iPhone 3G device.

RAC tools, including TOE and Salescentral have been modified to allow agents to enter customer's information, select rate plans and data plans, device price (if applicable) and output a document that will allow store reps to quickly access the customer's information and save time for data entry in the activation process.

Compensation
Because the 3G device will only be activated in store, compensation for the 3G device will be BAU. RAC reps will receive compensation for upgrades and new activations with a 3-year agreement.

Purchase Limit
The device purchase limit will be three (3) per customer for iPhone 3G in Rogers and Fido stores.

Direct Fulfillment
The DFU tool will be available at launch at RAC for iPhone 3Gs. Customers will be required to pay for the device when the order is placed and the phone will be shipped to the store in the customer's name for pickup.

Return Policy
The return policy for Fido iPhone 3G is changing from 15 days to 30 days for both Apple and Fido stores. The 30-day Rogers grace period will remain unchanged with the exception of no limits being imposed for voice or data usage.

To cancel service within the first 30 days, the customer must return their equipment to the place of purchase (no exceptions). If the customer cancels service after 30 days, they will be charged the ECF and DECF. The customer is not required to return the device to cancel after 30 days.

Merchandising/Marketing
3G demos will be pulled from stock when they arrive following launch process for display devices.
Video loop content will be pushed to stores when it is available.
The following merchandising elements will be in stores for launch:

Rate brochure and display rate card
22 x 28 poster
Window banner

Training
Device training, including features and functionality, will be available via Library and Fidoversity by 6/30.
Training for all representatives will begin no later than 7/1.
Launch preparedness training, including last minute details, will be conducted the week of launch (if needed) by team leaders.

Communications/Library
All iPhone-related communications, inclusive of training announcements, will be posted to Library. Search on keyword "iPhone 3G" to locate.

Launch Plans
Support logistics for launch day will be available:

Letters will be sent to all landlords under VP/GM signature for advance notice of store hours, crowds expected, possible parking issues, etc.
Security will be provided for locations requesting armed police or unarmed, uniformed guards.
Manager checklists will be provided to support managers to set expectations and help them be prepared to complete all required actions.
Documents will be posted on TGP to let managers know when to expect delivery of launch support materials.
Job descriptions for key launch day functions will be provided for: Back Office Manager, Crowd Manager, Greeter, Product Demonstrator, and Security Support.

http://www.ehmac.ca/ipod-itunes-ipho...tml#post688463

[jar_e]

^^^^^ Source?

[FanIn80]

^^^ Sorry, was still editing.

...also added a "not yet official" warning.

[BBQorMILDEW]

Originally Posted by jar_e

I don't think comparing the blackberry bold to the iphone is a fair comparison...they're both marketed to two different target groups imo.

And really, according to that sheet you provided there isn't even that much of a difference.

There isn't much of a difference... I get to sell both phones to everyone, I think the Iphone is overrated due to how quick i have seen the software crash as well as the cheap parts it uses. I have had customers come in to see if i can fix their IPHONE. It is a great tool for WIFI, but if you already have an IPOD then all it is, is an expensive touch screen phone.

As for marketing the phone to 2 different groups, I respectfully disagree, The reason the IPHONE was created was to take a bite out of RIM and Blackberry as a whole. I have talked to 2 different Apple reps who have point out told me that is what they want. But everyone is going to scoop up the IPHONE in record numbers which is fine by me. But in 2-4 months all everyone is going to hear is how quickly their Iphone crapped out on them.

We are ordering 1 million Iphones for Canada!

Iphone= Gimmick...

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by BBQorMILDEW

There isn't much of a difference... I get to sell both phones to everyone, I think the Iphone is overrated due to how quick i have seen the software crash as well as the cheap parts it uses. I have had customers come in to see if i can fix their IPHONE. It is a great tool for WIFI, but if you already have an IPOD then all it is, is an expensive touch screen phone.

As for marketing the phone to 2 different groups, I respectfully disagree, The reason the IPHONE was created was to take a bite out of RIM and Blackberry as a whole. I have talked to 2 different Apple reps who have point out told me that is what they want. But everyone is going to scoop up the IPHONE in record numbers which is fine by me. But in 2-4 months all everyone is going to hear is how quickly their Iphone crapped out on them.

We are ordering 1 million Iphones for Canada!

Iphone= Gimmick...

As a BB user, of course the Bold is a much better phone than the iPhone. I'm still switching to the iPhone, though, because of the large screen, better browser and 3rd party apps.

Talk to me when the BB Thunder launches though...

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

^^^ Sorry, was still editing.

...also added a "not yet official" warning.

No worries. Thanks for the link.

Originally Posted by BBQorMILDEW

There isn't much of a difference... I get to sell both phones to everyone, I think the Iphone is overrated due to how quick i have seen the software crash as well as the cheap parts it uses. I have had customers come in to see if i can fix their IPHONE. It is a great tool for WIFI, but if you already have an IPOD then all it is, is an expensive touch screen phone.

As for marketing the phone to 2 different groups, I respectfully disagree, The reason the IPHONE was created was to take a bite out of RIM and Blackberry as a whole. I have talked to 2 different Apple reps who have point out told me that is what they want. But everyone is going to scoop up the IPHONE in record numbers which is fine by me. But in 2-4 months all everyone is going to hear is how quickly their Iphone crapped out on them.

We are ordering 1 million Iphones for Canada!

Iphone= Gimmick...

Well, I've had the iphone for a few months now and I've had no problems at all. I highly doubt I'm a minority in that aspect. I still believe that the Bold is for borderling white collared types who need corporate emails, etc. while the iPhone is marketed to the "music" crowd. Even considering the Bold only has a 1gb on board memory is enough to say to me that they're for different crowds. Each to their own I guess.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by BBQorMILDEW

http://images.crackberry.com/files/k...Phone3Gbig.png

OMFG IFONE PWNED!!!1!!!

The BB is a fine device but it isn't an iPhone killer. All but 2 of the No's are do-able in software and the remaining 2 are do-able in a firmware update. The lack of copy an paste really being the only wish I had feature which is an annoyance more than anything.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by BBQorMILDEW

There isn't much of a difference... I get to sell both phones to everyone, I think the Iphone is overrated due to how quick i have seen the software crash as well as the cheap parts it uses. I have had customers come in to see if i can fix their IPHONE. It is a great tool for WIFI, but if you already have an IPOD then all it is, is an expensive touch screen phone.

As for marketing the phone to 2 different groups, I respectfully disagree, The reason the IPHONE was created was to take a bite out of RIM and Blackberry as a whole. I have talked to 2 different Apple reps who have point out told me that is what they want. But everyone is going to scoop up the IPHONE in record numbers which is fine by me. But in 2-4 months all everyone is going to hear is how quickly their Iphone crapped out on them.

We are ordering 1 million Iphones for Canada!

Iphone= Gimmick...

Having used an iPhone since December I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with pretty much all of this. Myself and two of my co-workers have all been using them where the first guy got his at launch. I know one other person who also has one. None of us have experienced a multitude of crashes.

My only problem came with the headphones that come with the iPhone, the right earphone crapped out on me, but that's typical of Apple's terrible headphones.

My phone has frozen up on my about a dozen times, but I never turn it off. Exceptions for when I'm flying.. And doing a reset always brings it right back to life (hold power and home button)

I hate Apple, but the iPhone is very good at what it does. It won't be a short term gimmick. Especially as they continue to develop them.


On another note, can anyone tell me if that new blackberry keyboard is always present or not? It looks like it is, in which case the iPhone would still beat the living tar out of the BB in terms of user interaction.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Barnes

OMFG IFONE PWNED!!!1!!!

The BB is a fine device but it isn't an iPhone killer. All but 2 of the No's are do-able in software and the remaining 2 are do-able in a firmware update. The lack of copy an paste really being the only wish I had feature which is an annoyance more than anything.

I still fail to see why some are saying t's an iPhone killer. To me, the devices are dissimilar due to the screen size and keyboard alone. How you use these two devices is different.

In what area does this kill the iPhone? Price? I like the video formats on the BB, but I'd rather watch it on the larger iPhone display.

edit: Not going against you, just raising some points.