[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

How do you figure? No guys that can provide offence on the left side of the defence and a team that struggles to score and it makes no sense? Really?

Depends on what you think about Brzustewicz. Teams rarely go with more than two primarily offensive d-men on their roster. The whole reason Byram is being shopped by the Sabres is because they already have two guys who fit the role in Dahlin and Powers, and a third is redundant.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Depends on what you think about Brzustewicz. Teams rarely go with more than two primarily offensive d-men on their roster. The whole reason Byram is being shopped by the Sabres is because they already have two guys who fit the role in Dahlin and Powers, and a third is redundant.

He's not exactly knocking the door down. It makes sense to leave a long-term spot open for a guy like Parekh but not someone who may never make the NHL. If Brzust does force his way on to the roster, then it's a good problem to have. There's still space on the third pairing and there are always injuries, so the opportunity will be there even if we did add a Byram.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Depends on what you think about Brzustewicz. Teams rarely go with more than two primarily offensive d-men on their roster. The whole reason Byram is being shopped by the Sabres is because they already have two guys who fit the role in Dahlin and Powers, and a third is redundant.

Agreed it is diminishing returns, but he is the odd man out because the other two are signed to long term deals and play the same side as him. Still baffled by Colorado's trade other than it was him or girard and girard was immovable.

[Inferno099]

Originally Posted by AC

Byram - Weegar
Bahl - Parekh

Would be a pretty nice top 4 to build around. I guess the question is does this block a spot for Brzustewicz long-term?

Hanley, Pachal, Bean, and Miromanov are all replacement level spot-fillers at this point, as good as Hanley and Pachal have been in their elevated roles. If any of Brz, Morin, Grushnikov, Solovyov, or Kuznetsov play their way onto the team, the 3rd pairing with Pachal/Hanley/Bean seems like a good spot to start on.

This is why I would prefer Brzustewicz (or whomever CC feels is ready) over Byram. Flames need to start developing their drafted in the NHL. Too many players brought in have not moved the needle and I just feel Brzustewicz or Morin could develop until Makar is UFA and ready to sign in Calgary.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

Agreed it is diminishing returns, but he is the odd man out because the other two are signed to long term deals and play the same side as him. Still baffled by Colorado's trade other than it was him or girard and girard was immovable.

The Avs were desperate for a second line centre, and Mittlestadt had 59 points the season before and 47 points in 62 games at the time of the trade (a 76 point pace).

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Depends on what you think about Brzustewicz. Teams rarely go with more than two primarily offensive d-men on their roster. The whole reason Byram is being shopped by the Sabres is because they already have two guys who fit the role in Dahlin and Powers, and a third is redundant.

Hunter Brzustewicz is RS RD projected to be a mid pairing D man. Bowen Byram is a LS LD that can play either side and has the upside to be a top pairing D. I don't think they project the same at all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The cost is the deterrent. He’s not worth a 1st or prospect. It’s more of a dump and small add.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The cost is the deterrent. He’s not worth a 1st or prospect. It’s more of a dump and small add.

Issue being now that if K'Andre Miller is worth a late first then so is Byram.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The cost is the deterrent. He’s not worth a 1st or prospect. It’s more of a dump and small add.

Lol. Yes, that's the going rate for a young skilled offensive D man. Carolina just payed a mint for Miller and he is worse.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Bryam generates offence better than most, and that’s precisely what the Flames lack. I can see a fit there.

The flames desperately need more offence, but that is more of an issue that should be addressed through the forwards rather than building offence primarily from the blue line. With Parekh in the wings this is a very weird trade.

[CroCop]

He’s worth Ras and the Vegas 1st in a heartbeat.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Issue being now that if K'Andre Miller is worth a late first then so is Byram.

We don’t know if it’s a late first but Byram isn’t worth that right now.

Buffalo is selling from a weakened position.

Feels like people just want a trade for the sake of it. I don’t mind taking a chance on Byram but Buffalo has to take risk back.

They did for Peterka and Cousins and they will for Byram.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CroCop

He’s worth Ras and the Vegas 1st in a heartbeat.

by what metric has Byram ever shown that he should be worth anything close to this?

Byram is coasting in the reputation of being a high 1st round pick and winning the Cup as a rookie.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by CroCop

He’s worth Ras and the Vegas 1st in a heartbeat.

Is he even good? All the charts I have seen suggest he is a below average 2nd pairing dman.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Avs were desperate for a second line centre, and Mittlestadt had 59 points the season before and 47 points in 62 games at the time of the trade (a 76 point pace).

That would be a 62 point pace, not 76.

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by Inferno099

This is why I would prefer Brzustewicz (or whomever CC feels is ready) over Byram. Flames need to start developing their drafted in the NHL. Too many players brought in have not moved the needle and I just feel Brzustewicz or Morin could develop until Makar is UFA and ready to sign in Calgary.

While I don’t disagree with you that I want our young players to get opportunities, acquiring Byram doesn’t block Brzustewicz from anything unless he’s able to play the opposite side, which is a tall task to ask of a rookie.

Byram would be blocking guys like Solo and Kuznetsov. And he’s essentially the same age as them.

[dammage79]

If Byram is the same age as Kuznetsov and Solovyov, he's not really blocking them, he's just better.

[The Original FFIV]

So when Friedman says things are heating up they get done in a matter of minutes

When Dreger says they are heating up they go stone cold. Maybe it gets done, maybe it doesn’t.

We know who the better insider is. And Elliotte didn’t have the best in the biz holding his hand. Kudos to him.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Potter??? Why would we trade him

Potter is effectively a late first. About as late as you can get

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If Byram is the same age as Kuznetsov and Solovyov, he's not really blocking them, he's just better.

He isn't blocking anyone. You are getting loud push back from team tank because this does not fit with their agenda.