American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Itse

There's two major problems with your point.

First, it's the idea that the things people hate in the world are somehow the governments fault.

Second, Trump is exactly what's been wrong with the system (nepotism, corruption, serving the interests of the ultra-rich), and he has very literally said he's going to make things even worse by messing up the government budget even more, giving even more money to the ultra-rich, destroying the working class even worse through laws that serve only corporate interests, and hiking up the price of everyday goods through tariffs.

Also, the Democrats HAVE been trying to do things, but the moment they go after the megacorporate monopolies which are hurting everyone, they get voted out of power.

I get where the resentment towards the system comes from, but I don't really understand why people see Trump as a solution instead just more of the same but worse? Because that's exactly who he is.

Also, why did they go for Biden instead of Trump then? He was as Democrat establishment guy as they come.

Your explanation just doesn't really track.

Of course, to you it doesn't track because you can't possibly believe that people across multiple different demographics would possibly think that the Democrats aren't actually helping them with the everyday things they struggle with.

Given the results, I think its quite clear what the average voter thinks, and its also quite clear that most people on here and in the media are quite literally delusional when it comes to what the average American voter thinks.

Hint. They don't believe Trump is Hilter and that he holds Nazi rallies.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by activeStick

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854181904020369778

We just going spend all day pretending there isn't a right-wing propaganda machine that has duped an entire segment of the US population into voting against their best interests while demonizing Democrats? It's a whole industry and it's insanely effective.

That's why Democrats lost. They've armed themselves with spoons in a gun fight.

I don't know what the fix is, but it's laughable all the #### I'm reading about Kamala not doing a good job or Dems not running a good campaign. Dems ran a campaign that was good, their message was good, the people they ran were good people who would have governed well. None of that can combat decades of the right-wing's disinformation/propaganda campaign.

The right has a built-in voting block of, like, 40% that has been indoctrinated into supporting them through right-wing media regardless of their message (or lack thereof). They just have to give some hats away to get another 10%. Democrats have to fight tooth and nail for each and every vote. They'll never be top dogs.

[Ozy_Flame]

I'm starting to think the Dems would be better aligned with people like AOC and Bernie leading the party, who do not walk that center line. That are left of center, and they know it. They should be embracing that and not sogwhisting to old stock Republicans.

In fact I think people like AOC, Maxwell Alejandro Frost, Illhan Omar, Jamaal Bowman and Jared Moskowitz should be in front of resetting Democrat policy, platform, and messaging, working to entice younger voters back into the camp and reduce apathy for the next election. And their next round of leadership candidates should all be under 50 (but I will allow Bernie to run if he wants, he's a riot and a half).

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Azure

Of course, to you it doesn't track because you can't possibly believe that people across multiple different demographics would possibly think that the Democrats aren't actually helping them with the everyday things they struggle with.

Given the results, I think its quite clear what the average voter thinks, and its also quite clear that most people on here and in the media are quite literally delusional when it comes to what the average American voter thinks.

Hint. They don't believe Trump is Hilter and that he holds Nazi rallies.

To be fair you don’t know the bolded for a fact, it’s equally as possible it’s simply not a dealbreaker for them.

Edit: oh right azure made a big production about having me on ignore because I wasn’t civil enough asking him a polite question once. I see he’s told someone how dumb they are a little down the page. Classic.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Leftist policies (e.g. legalizing marijuana, minimum wage hikes, etc.) have all outperformed the Democrats themselves in the last 4ish elections (I'm including midterms).

This would seem to suggest that leftist policies are more popular than the Democrats themselves. Maybe adopting and promoting these policies could bring some of that working class vote back.

Agree with the first bolded sentence, but the second is truly just a maybe. Popular policies that Democrats adopt outperform the Democrats (e.g. abortion rights). And they lost on inflation to a guy who will make inflation vastly worse through tariffs.

[Sliver]

OMG if I hear somebody pine for Bernie one more fkn time I swear to god...

That guy is ancient. He had a fricken heart attack during the 2020 campaign. I get some people like riding his dick, but he wouldn't win a general election. The right would easily paint him as a commie socialist old man and he'd lose. BTW, they don't care if their guy is old; but if the Dems run an old guy forget it.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Sliver

OMG if I hear somebody pine for Bernie one more fkn time I swear to god...

That guy is ancient. He had a fricken heart attack during the 2020 campaign. I get some people like riding his dick, but he wouldn't win a general election. The right would easily paint him as a commie socialist old man and he'd lose. BTW, they don't care if their guy is old; but if the Dems run an old guy forget it.

He’d be the first to agree.

[La Flames Fan]

I am very curious, not in a conspiratorial way, why +-20 million people didn't vote vs. the last election.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Harris didn't run a great campaign and Trump and his cadre were more willing to blatantly lie and cheat to win, but I don't think that's why he's President. Harris didn't lose because of inflation. Trump didn't win because of immigration. I think the long-term post-mortem on this will have nothing to do with Harris' campaign or the economy.

Lies and misinformation are obviously but share some examples of cheating.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Parallels between the democratic party and the Canadian conservative party are palpable.

The Dems constantly run on a campaign that their opposition is evil and incompetent.

The CPC constantly run on a campaign that their opposition is evil and incompetent.

The Dems run book licking stiffs in suits

The CPC run book licking stiffs in suits

The Dems can't figure out why more than half of the county loves their oppositions leader despite his obvious flaws

The CPC can't figure out why more than half of the county loves their oppositions leader despite his obvious flaws

The CPC will win the next election with a Trumpian candidate. But if you want to make the assertion that the CPC combines flaws from both the Dems and Reps, I'll agree with you.

Half the country doesn't love Trudeau, though.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

I was a member of a atheist community a few years back, and even then host of the podcast said that they didn’t want Bernie to win. I believe it’s gonna be a few years before we see a more socialist movement.

The Democratic Party is like legacy media, they need to just hit the refresh button. Out with the old, and in with the new.

I think the corrupt ones need to leave and people are starting to realize just how corrupt the parties are

Well Bernie is 84 (I think) and has been talking about the same things for years (civil rights, health-care, wage growth, class movement, anti-war mongering, etc) so what is old and what is new? The Democrats would win if they went with Bernie's message.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I heard all the “we will learn from this” 8 years ago… this is what it is and what it’s going to be for our lifetimes.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Sliver

OMG if I hear somebody pine for Bernie one more fkn time I swear to god...

That guy is ancient. He had a fricken heart attack during the 2020 campaign. I get some people like riding his dick, but he wouldn't win a general election. The right would easily paint him as a commie socialist old man and he'd lose. BTW, they don't care if their guy is old; but if the Dems run an old guy forget it.

Sanders-Kucinich 2028!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Sliver

OMG if I hear somebody pine for Bernie one more fkn time I swear to god...

That guy is ancient. He had a fricken heart attack during the 2020 campaign. I get some people like riding his dick, but he wouldn't win a general election. The right would easily paint him as a commie socialist old man and he'd lose. BTW, they don't care if their guy is old; but if the Dems run an old guy forget it.

Well tell him to put his Arnold Palmer away and people will stop.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by SebC

The CPC will win the next election with a Trumpian candidate. But if you want to make the assertion that the CPC combines flaws from both the Dems and Reps, I'll agree with you.

Half the country doesn't love Trudeau, though.

PP isn't like Trump, he has the charisma of Milhouse! Honestly, I think that this GOP win damages the CPC chances of winning. Even as unpopular as Trudeau is (today).

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Sliver

We just going spend all day pretending there isn't a right-wing propaganda machine that has duped an entire segment of the US population into voting against their best interests while demonizing Democrats? It's a whole industry and it's insanely effective.

That's why Democrats lost. They've armed themselves with spoons in a gun fight.

I don't know what the fix is, but it's laughable all the #### I'm reading about Kamala not doing a good job or Dems not running a good campaign. Dems ran a campaign that was good, their message was good, the people they ran were good people who would have governed well. None of that can combat decades of the right-wing's disinformation/propaganda campaign.

The right has a built-in voting block of, like, 40% that has been indoctrinated into supporting them through right-wing media regardless of their message (or lack thereof). They just have to give some hats away to get another 10%. Democrats have to fight tooth and nail for each and every vote. They'll never be top dogs.

What a dumb take.

Again, go look at the numbers across dozens of demographics. Trump won in every possible way you could think. There is no way you can attribute that to 'omg they lied and cheated and indoctrinated everyone on their way to victory.'

But of course go with that. It is rather easy to see why the Democrats lost when that is the reason that is given.

Really, really, really evident that it is hard for people to admit that Harris sucked as a candidate and Trump appealed to many, many Americans across every possible faucet of the country from blue stronghold California to always red Texas and everything in between.

[Ozy_Flame]

They don't have to embrace Bernie the geriatric skinbag. They just need to embrace Bernie the progressive thought leader and lean into ideas like his full tilt. And bring competent, pragmatic individuals into the fold to share how those ideas benefit Americans daily, and how those can be delivered in modern ways to new generations.

[opendoor]

I think maybe Biden just needs to rest up for a few years and gear up for a 2028 run.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm starting to think the Dems would be better aligned with people like AOC and Bernie leading the party, who do not walk that center line. That are left of center, and they know it. They should be embracing that and not sogwhisting to old stock Republicans.

In fact I think people like AOC, Maxwell Alejandro Frost, Illhan Omar, Jamaal Bowman and Jared Moskowitz should be in front of resetting Democrat policy, platform, and messaging, working to entice younger voters back into the camp and reduce apathy for the next election. And their next round of leadership candidates should all be under 50 (but I will allow Bernie to run if he wants, he's a riot and a half).

Yes, that is exactly what the Democrats need is to hitch their wagon to AOC and her squad in order to fix their issues and win elections.

[dino7c]

I mean they win half the elections...teams are .500

When everyones lives still.suck next time they are probably begging for change again