American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[CliffFletcher]

Trump won the most Hispanic county in America (Starr Country TX) by 16 points. Starr County is 97 per cent Hispanic, and the last time it went to a Republican presidential candidate was 1892.

White people getting outraged on behalf of Hispanics over Trump’s comments is nice and all. But Democrats would probably do better to find out what actually matters to Hispanics.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Republicans don't villify the left? really?

what solutions did Trump and the Republicans offer?

They certainly do, but they also provided solutions which are downright crazy, factually incorrect and on some, have been proven they'd fail (his tariffs, as one example). But the point is, the messaging was a lot more focused from their side on these bad solutions, when compared to the Democrats who's main focus was on she's not Biden and she's not Trump.

[GirlySports]

The other side that none of you watched, Daily Wire's live coverage. All your favorite deplorables.

But if you're looking for answers, this is the other side. Start the video at about 4:00:00. Which was about 7:45pm Eastern last night.

Spoiler!

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

How many people are going to get massed deported today? 25,000? 50k?

Ship them out Deporttariff Man!

0, Trump is not President.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

How many people are going to get massed deported today? 25,000? 50k?

Ship them out Deporttariff Man!

They a have a plan. Will start with the 500K or so illegals first, and move on to the ones who have been in the US for a while.

They want to be humane about it.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Itse

There's two major problems with your point.

First, it's the idea that the things people hate in the world are somehow the governments fault.

Second, Trump is exactly what's been wrong with the system (nepotism, corruption, serving the interests of the ultra-rich), and he has very literally said he's going to make things even worse by messing up the government budget even more, giving even more money to the ultra-rich, destroying the working class even worse through laws that serve only corporate interests, and hiking up the price of everyday goods through tariffs.

Also, the Democrats HAVE been trying to do things, but the moment they go after the megacorporate monopolies which are hurting everyone, they get voted out of power.

I get where the resentment towards the system comes from, but I don't really understand why people see Trump as a solution instead just more of the same but worse? Because that's exactly who he is.

Also, why did they go for Biden instead of Trump then? He was as Democrat establishment guy as they come.

Your explanation just doesn't really track.

I don't think people even think that hard about it or think in terms of who will provide solutions. People are negatively reacting to the long-term trajectory of the American economy where wealth is increasingly being concentrated at the top and real wages aren't really growing. And their reaction to that is to just keep trying something different and see saw back and forth, more or less blindly. Unless I'm mistaken, this is the first time since the late 1800s that the Presidency has changed parties 3 elections in a row, and the House is changing hands more often than it has historically.

The Democrats have obviously failed to properly understand the American electorate and what drives them. But I would also be pretty hesitant to ascribe the results to some sort of endorsement of Republicans. Americans are pretty fickle these days, and I suspect we'll see something similar to Biden's term where Trump starts off somewhat popular but then his act wears thin and people want change again.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854198526126805320

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Trump won the most Hispanic county in America (Starr Country TX) by 16 points. Starr County is 97 per cent Hispanic, and the last time it went to a Republican presidential candidate was 1892.

White people getting outraged on behalf of Hispanics over Trump’s comments is nice and all. But Democrats would probably do better to find out what actually matters to Hispanics.

A lot of people lump all Hispanic people together, but they are extremely diverse.

Many are religiously conservative. Issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc..may take precedent over any other issues, and they aren't taking a liberal stance on these issues.

Another important point is that only eligible Hispanic voters actually vote. Many of these people are strongly opposed to illegal migration, after having to go through the legal migration process. Others aren't recent migrants and trace their history in the USA back to conflicts with Spain in the 1800s.

They don't want illegal migrants competing for jobs or living undocumented in their neighborhoods. Many may be working class or high income earners and prioritizing economic issues. There are clearly other Hispanic voters who would support naturalizing many of the illegal migrants or making the immigration process easier, but the issue is from clear cut or unanimous.

The Democrats really fell into one of the traps of identity politics, where they ended up racially profiling Hispanic people. You can't ride into town on a white horse and state you are going to help illegal migrants and expect to get Hispanic voters coming out for you.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I don't think people even think that hard about it or think in terms of who will provide solutions. People are negatively reacting to the long-term trajectory of the American economy where wealth is increasingly being concentrated at the top and real wages aren't really growing. And their reaction to that is to just keep trying something different and see saw back and forth, more or less blindly. Unless I'm mistaken, this is the first time since the late 1800s that the Presidency has changed parties 3 elections in a row, and the House is changing hands more often than it has historically.

The Democrats have obviously failed to properly understand the American electorate and what drives them. But I would also be pretty hesitant to ascribe the results to some sort of endorsement of Republicans. Americans are pretty fickle these days, and I suspect we'll see something similar to Biden's term where Trump starts off somewhat popular but then his act wears thin and people want change again.

They might get tired of his act, but Trump politics in the Republican party is here to stay.

A loss would have at least caused some division and have them move away from the crazy, but with his landslide win that will probably not happen for a very long time now.

Would be interesting to see what nut job they run next.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Trump won the most Hispanic county in America (Starr Country TX) by 16 points. Starr County is 97 per cent Hispanic, and the last time it went to a Republican presidential candidate was 1892.

White people getting outraged on behalf of Hispanics over Trump’s comments is nice and all. But Democrats would probably do better to find out what actually matters to Hispanics.

Immigration is a big one, and truly one thing that Dems need to be more in line with the general mood of all voters. It's not unlike Canada as well.

Many immigrants aren't always pro-immigration, like some suggest.

Religion/conservatism is another. Most immigrants are religious and expound deeply conservative values.

Economy. Trump won on that. Whether his ideas resonated or the general mythology of conservatives = better for the economy.

[afc wimbledon]

I will try to keep my 'told you so' mouth shut as my white middle and working class Midwest acquaintances lose their healthcare, medicare is going to be gutted, Obamacare is dead as a doornail

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854198526126805320

Fuentes was wearing a mask? He's known for making pro-Hitler comments. He also self-identifies as an "Incel". His greatest controversy amongst his followers was when he got outed for kissing a girl in high school and was exposed as a potential "Voluntary Incel". He's also literally a professional internet troll, having founded multiple far right internet trolling movements.

[CroFlames]

They wear the incel badge with pride now? I always thought they were ashamed by that.

Jeez, I can't keep up with the internet anymore.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Every US election cycle I realize how lucky I am.

Umm, you live in Canada. right? We ain't so lucky with what's happening in the US. 1. We're too close and affected by them and 2. You can literally see what's happened there taking hold here as well (UCP in Alberta, populist movements starting to take over country wide, dog whistling, populist leader about to become Prime Minister).

[photon]

Harris has called Trump and conceded and discussed a peaceful transfer of power (being the president of the senate presiding over the electoral vote certification).

Are Dems going to build a gallows on the Capitol lawn to hang her if she certifies it?

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I’d really like to see how an alternate timeline where the democrats made Bernie their candidate in one of the last 3 elections would have went.

I was a member of a atheist community a few years back, and even then host of the podcast said that they didn’t want Bernie to win. I believe it’s gonna be a few years before we see a more socialist movement.

The Democratic Party is like legacy media, they need to just hit the refresh button. Out with the old, and in with the new.

I think the corrupt ones need to leave and people are starting to realize just how corrupt the parties are

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Immigration is a big one, and truly one thing that Dems need to be more in line with the general mood of all voters. It's not unlike Canada as well.

Many immigrants aren't always pro-immigration, like some suggest.

Religion/conservatism is another. Most immigrants are religious and expound deeply conservative values.

Economy. Trump won on that. Whether his ideas resonated or the general mythology of conservatives = better for the economy.

I can't stress this enough. This is happening in Canada as well.

Immigration is a huge issue, because our system cannot handle these people. And they are coming into the country easily by skirting the system. All these people abusing the student visa programs and protesting to stay here. They are not winning any of the immigrants that have been here for a long time over.

Those Hispanic voters probably feel the same way. People skirting the system or coming in illegally and getting the benefits those voters had to work super hard for.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

They wear the incel badge with pride now? I always thought they were ashamed by that.

Jeez, I can't keep up with the internet anymore.

Among their followers you really need to be all in on the Incel thing to maintain cred.

Incel, stands for Involuntary Celibate. So I think the idea is you have to be celibate and has to be involuntary. So if you could get women but choose not to, then you are some kind of enemy. I think that also means you can't be purposely making your appearance/personality less attractive, you have to be inherently unattractive?

I honestly don't think they put much thought into it. It's just a bunch of guys from all over the world who meet up on internet forums.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Harris concedes and will hold a speech at 2PM

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Umm, you live in Canada. right? We ain't so lucky with what's happening in the US. 1. We're too close and affected by them and 2. You can literally see what's happened there taking hold here as well (UCP in Alberta, populist movements starting to take over country wide, dog whistling, populist leader about to become Prime Minister).

I'd agree. There's lots to learn from last night for Canada and our upcoming election. But I read something somewhere last night that fits in nicely here, Canadians can also just stick with the sanctimony and see how that goes for us in the next election...