Who was coaching during the comeback attempt when Fleury lit it up in preseason and was snubbed? I can't remember. He would have been a lot more useful than the Jagr experiment imo
It was Sutter coaching. But of the Brent variety. DS was the GM. But snubbed? They gave him the PTO. And he didn’t really light it up. He had a goal and 3 assists, plus that shootout goal. They felt he was just too slow though - his legs were gone.
Anyone holding E. Kane to a higher moral standing than the rest of the hockey world for being a gambling addict and forging a vaccine card is out to lunch. Lets look at some of the other notorious problem children of the NHL:
Jagr had the same gambling issues as E. Kane and was also a notorious womanizer.
Patrick Kane has had multiple issues related to physical and sexual assault.
Tony Deanglo is a very vocal right-wing nut job.
Jeff Carter and Mike Richards had severe partying issues that got both of them kicked out of Philly.
Tyler Seguin was kicked out of Boston for his partying issues.
All of these players, except for Deangelo, have cup rings and long careers, and there many more "problem children" that could be listed here.
Scorned (and crazy) ex-wife and occasional questionable life choices aside, E. Kane is exactly the type of player on the ice that the Flames need to fill the last Top 6 winger spot. Treliving should be working the phones damn hard to score him on a good deal with salary retained. Getting a hard-nosed 30-goal sniper for $4-5M for the next three years would be a great deal.
Plus, when was the last time that Sutter let a "problem child" wreck his team?
Those players, while they had their vices off the ice, were generally considered good team mates and team players. Evander Kane is known as a selfish player, hated by his teammates and with few friends. I think that risk is not worth it just to get some offense. Locker room chemistry and camaraderie is important. Its rumored many Sharks players basically went to management and said they don't want to play with E. Kane anymore.
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If the Flames get E. Kane, there will be an outcry for about a month. If he produces and doesn’t create drama, I’m sure those outcries will die down. That’s just how human nature works. The narrative then changes to “well he’s doing fine here.”
Kane at $3.5M could simply be bought out/shot to the moon if he doesn’t work out but he is actually the player that the flames need as scoring also gets tougher in the playoffs. Flames could use his size and skill in the top 6.
I would trust Sutter and Lucic to be able to hold the room together and not let him ruin it.
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If the Flames get E. Kane, there will be an outcry for about a month. If he produces and doesn’t create drama, I’m sure those outcries will die down. That’s just how human nature works. The narrative then changes to “well he’s doing fine here.”
Kane at $3.5M could simply be bought out/shot to the moon if he doesn’t work out but he is actually the player that the flames need as scoring also gets tougher in the playoffs. Flames could use his size and skill in the top 6.
I would trust Sutter and Lucic to be able to hold the room together and not let him ruin it.
When has Evander Kane not created drama? He has had plenty of fresh starts, yet he does it every team hes on. He simply cannot help himself.
Hes the king of, "You think this is bad? Hold my beer."
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If the Flames get E. Kane, there will be an outcry for about a month. If he produces and doesn’t create drama, I’m sure those outcries will die down. That’s just how human nature works. The narrative then changes to “well he’s doing fine here.”
Kane at $3.5M could simply be bought out/shot to the moon if he doesn’t work out but he is actually the player that the flames need as scoring also gets tougher in the playoffs. Flames could use his size and skill in the top 6.
I would trust Sutter and Lucic to be able to hold the room together and not let him ruin it.
If “ifs” were skiffs we’d all be sailors. He’s created dissension, chaos and disarray in three different dressing rooms with three consecutive NHL teams.
Hard pass.
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Team hasn't gelled for the past two season, is suddenly gelling again, there are concerns that we might not be able to re-sign our key free agents and people want to bring in a locker room cancer?
If the Flames get E. Kane, there will be an outcry for about a month. If he produces and doesn’t create drama, I’m sure those outcries will die down. That’s just how human nature works. The narrative then changes to “well he’s doing fine here.”
Kane at $3.5M could simply be bought out/shot to the moon if he doesn’t work out but he is actually the player that the flames need as scoring also gets tougher in the playoffs. Flames could use his size and skill in the top 6.
I would trust Sutter and Lucic to be able to hold the room together and not let him ruin it.
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If the Flames get E. Kane, there will be an outcry for about a month. If he produces and doesn’t create drama, I’m sure those outcries will die down. That’s just how human nature works. The narrative then changes to “well he’s doing fine here.”
Kane at $3.5M could simply be bought out/shot to the moon if he doesn’t work out but he is actually the player that the flames need as scoring also gets tougher in the playoffs. Flames could use his size and skill in the top 6.
I would trust Sutter and Lucic to be able to hold the room together and not let him ruin it.
I honestly feel like the teams he's been on to this point have been gongshows that lacked real steady leadership as well and allowed him to run amok. And SJ is where all his issues came to light, so makes sense the players sour on him.
He's still a POS with a lot to answer for as a human as well as a player, but if you have a leadership/coaching group that can deter his stupidity, maybe you can take advantage of the hockey side.
We don't have to praise him, we don't have to approve of his off-ice decisions. We don't have to even like him personally.
But it's a business, and winning wins out. I'd entertain it if he was super cheap. And the moment something goes awry off the ice, you bury/buy the guy out. Short leash situation with no second chances is the how I'd approach it. And I wouldn't entertain it without an honest discussion with the player between him, management, and coaching first either. They have to be convinced he has good intentions for anything to move forward.
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I honestly feel like the teams he's been on to this point have been gongshows that lacked real steady leadership as well and allowed him to run amok. And SJ is where all his issues came to light, so makes sense the players sour on him.
He's still a POS with a lot to answer for as a human as well as a player, but if you have a leadership/coaching group that can deter his stupidity, maybe you can take advantage of the hockey side.
We don't have to praise him, we don't have to approve of his off-ice decisions. We don't have to even like him personally.
But it's a business, and winning wins out. I'd entertain it if he was super cheap. And the moment something goes awry off the ice, you bury/buy the guy out. Short leash situation with no second chances is the how I'd approach it. And I wouldn't entertain it without an honest discussion with the player between him, management, and coaching first either. They have to be convinced he has good intentions for anything to move forward.
The short leash?
The damage he can do in a short time, as defined historically, effectively eliminates your option. Super cheap or not!
He's San Jose's problem. His NHL career is likely over.
I wouldnt be surprised if someone took a flyer on him, but not for $7M and I dont think SJ really has the space to either retain salary or buy him out.
He's a perpetual headache, by all accounts an awful and toxic teammate, a hot mess off the ice and on an insanely expensive contract.
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Lebrun suggesting a 3 team trade could eventually have the acquiring team only on the hook for 1.75M for Kane. Sharks would eat 50% and then a third team would eat 50% of that before he finds his way on the acquiring team.
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I certainly hope those of you looking to justify adding Kane to the Flames weren't hypocritically decrying Blackhawks management in the Kyle Beach situation earlier this year. No, it isn't acceptable to look past grievous moral failings in order to better one's chances to succeed and win. That attitude is what enables the users and abusers of the world to prosper, and they will continue to prosper until the "winning is everything" attitude deservedly dies.
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Lebrun suggesting a 3 team trade could eventually have the acquiring team only on the hook for 1.75M for Kane. Sharks would eat 50% and then a third team would eat 50% of that before he finds his way on the acquiring team.
All of which would require SJ giving up assets I would imagine. I don't think anyone really wants the guy.
