I think the allowed overage in the offseason is 10%, so 89.65M? However, according to the entry on Wikipedia (I know, I know, maybe not 100% accurate) Seattle must stay within the cap:
"Furthermore, the 2021–22 salaries of the thirty players selected (as measured in terms of what is counted against the salary cap, otherwise colloquially known as the "cap hit") must add up to between 60% and 100% of the 2020–21 salary cap (i.e. the full nominal cap, not the prorated cap for the shortened 56-game season that was played)."
But wait! That's 2021-22 salaries, it doesn't account for UFA/RFA signings then? Do UFA/RFA picks have to be signed to a contract for the expansion draft on July 21st? or can they be picked and signed later? ugh so confusing hahaha
I think exposed UFAs have to agree to a contract and be signed prior to the expansion draft. Both Engelland and Haula were signed by Vegas prior to the draft. Haula was an RFA. I’m not sure what the rule is for RFAs, and if Seattle would have to submit their minimum qualifying offer like teams are required to do in regular times. The regular qualifying offer date is July 29th this year.
How signing/salary for RFAs works in regards to the draft cap # needs sureLoss or getbak!
Can we get Scorpion working to confirm?
edit: After searching for some more information it looks like UFA/RFA don’t need to be signed in any capacity but is likely in the case of not risking wasting the selection. If the player isn’t signed prior to free agency Seattle can only sign them to a 7 year deal vs 8 beforehand.
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I thought you were arguing the reasons they wouldn’t pick Gio?
Yes, and I'm saying that reason doesn't work, because the Kraken have no incentive to lower their price to something the Flames should consider paying.
It all boils down to opportunity cost. There is no opportunity cost in not making a side deal if there is no side deal that both sides can agree on.
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An aging player on the final year of a contract that most of us thought would be a poor value in the last 1-2 years, I wouldn’t offer Seattle anything to not take Gio. I mean, when his contract was signed, how much more would this board have liked it if the contract was a year shorter? And now there is talk of giving up assets for a contract that most posters would be happy to get out of for nothing? I can see offering the Kraken a 5th or later to not take Dube, but you’re going to lose one asset anyway, so why choose to lose two?
With the cap flat, we should be able to pick up a younger UFA who can play similar minutes for 4.5M.
I think a Gio is the best and least risky of the higher price players they can pick.
RyJo is laughably bad and owed a ton of term with a huge AAV.
Price is risky and has a huge cap in terms of term and AAV. But potentially could be very good. But way too risky.
Tarasenko is likely my 2nd choice as he has but two years left in term and was healthy at the end of the year. Really depends on his medical reports.
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I think they at least take a run at Landeskog. Ovechkin too, although I think that is SUPER unlikely but you gotta shoot your shot. It costs them nothing to at least talk to these guys so... why not at least try?
Like I said before: if Seattle manages to grab a few big fishes for name recognition and such, I feel like that prices Gio out and they go with someone cheaper like Kylington. Otherwise, if they go a bit younger and cheaper than I can see Gio being an attractive option as a mentor and leader to the younger guys. Either way I think Treliving should just stand down and let whatever happen, happen. No need to dole out more assets, you're losing at most ONE player.
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Tierney (probably trade)
Turris
Kole Lind (22 yo prospect from VAN)
Pettersson Zadorov
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63.6M, but I'd definitely be looking to trade Domi, Tierney, and several D
MTL, NYR, VAN, EDM and LAK all seemed tough to find anything particularly worthwhile.
Johansen vs. Jarnkrok - hard to commit to RoJo, but a big first line capable C is an elusive piece. Henrique is the next best option, depending on what might be available via trade.
I'd hope to do a few 2 for 1 deals to land a stud D and another 'complete' top 6 F.
Just did a quick first run through. Fun exercise. Better than I expected as a ~100-point team with $15 (+/- 2) million in cap space after RFAs. So weak down the middle though. See how the season goes and either try and make a run or load up on prospects/draft capital at the deadline. Huge flexibility a year from now, too.
Donato, Bean, and one other forward start with the team. Everyone else eligible goes on waivers to start and see what happens.
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I think they at least take a run at Landeskog. Ovechkin too, although I think that is SUPER unlikely but you gotta shoot your shot. It costs them nothing to at least talk to these guys so... why not at least try?
Like I said before: if Seattle manages to grab a few big fishes for name recognition and such, I feel like that prices Gio out and they go with someone cheaper like Kylington. Otherwise, if they go a bit younger and cheaper than I can see Gio being an attractive option as a mentor and leader to the younger guys. Either way I think Treliving should just stand down and let whatever happen, happen. No need to dole out more assets, you're losing at most ONE player.
They are UFA’s so picking them guarantees nothing.
They are UFA’s so picking them guarantees nothing.
Actually, it guarantees whatever contract the Kraken negotiate with them. As I understand the procedure, you pick a UFA in the expansion draft by signing him to a contract. No contract, no pick.
That gives the Kraken a couple of days to negotiate with these guys before submitting their list.
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Carey Price may miss significant portions of next season with hip injury/surgery. Hence Montreal's gamble.
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Sources say there are significant concerns about Price’s health moving forward that may (or may not) deter the Kraken from selecting the Anahim Lake, British Columbia native. An MRI recently conducted by the Canadiens revealed a hip injury that could require surgery. The true extent of the injury is not yet known – and likely will not be known until later in the week, when Price travels to the United States to be seen by an expert. The results of the examination might not be available until Friday, after Seattle selects its team on Wednesday
Locke, I don't disagree at all. Valid argument and all.
I was honestly surprised and actually gratified to see him ranked so well. He looked good to me often last season and I was chuffed my eye-test was supported.
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Actually, it guarantees whatever contract the Kraken negotiate with them. As I understand the procedure, you pick a UFA in the expansion draft by signing him to a contract. No contract, no pick.
That gives the Kraken a couple of days to negotiate with these guys before submitting their list.
I’ve been doing some digging on this. It appears UFAs don’t need to be signed to be selected. If they’re selected but not signed their cap hit doesn’t count towards the minimum though.
Here’s the UFA/RFAs Vegas drafted and where they signed after the draft.
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Teemu Pulkkinen (Arizona) RFA
Vegas signed July 6, 2017
Connor Brickley (Carolina) UFA
Florida signed July 1, 2017
Chris Thorburn (Winnipeg) UFA
St. Louis signed July 1, 2017
Jean-Francois Berube (NYI) UFA
Chicago signed July 1, 2017
Brendan Leipsic (Toronto) RFA
Vegas signed July 15, 2017
Oscar Lindberg (NYR) RFA
Vegas signed July 4, 2017
Griffin Reinhart (Edmonton) RFA
Vegas signed July 15, 2017
Nate Schmidt (Washington) RFA
Vegas signed August 5, 2017
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Locke, I don't disagree at all. Valid argument and all. I was honestly surprised and actually gratified to see him ranked so well. He looked good to me often last season and I was chuffed my eye-test was supported.
He's a good player! I'd say he's still our best defenceman.
But if the Flames, as a team, are going nowhere anytime soon then it just doesnt make sense to spend assets to hold on to him.
I get loyalty. I get wanting to compete. But Gio is not going to be the guy to drag this motley group over the finish line.
If Seattle grabs him the Flames will most certainly be worse off for it.
Will it be the difference between winning the Cup or not? I doubt it
I just feel that on the current trajectory this team is on it isnt prudent to spend assets simply to hold on to him.
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Assuming Seattle does take Gio, I would hope that we let Gio know that we would like him back if he would want to come back for the 2023 season. This season will be the perfect opportunity to see whether or not Valimaki/Kylington/Mackey are capable of top 4 minutes and one becomes a mainstay there.
Lots of good players for Seattle to choose from. I don't think they take Price.
