[News] Calgary Flames Garbage Bag Day Media Availability 10AM

[Svartsengi]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Dillon Dube won't be able to participate for Team Canada. He was not doing well yesterday (concussion).

Treliving thought our depth was going to be a strength this year. Ha.

Does anyone know how many concussions Dube has had?. That really sucks he can’t play in the World Championship hopefully Mangiapane has a good experience for Canada and can bring home a gold!.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Brad doubles down on his "Toby Rieder" blame game on the new guys.

He also doesn't turn down the idea of a rebuild but continually pushes "changes are need, and how deep we need to change is a priority"

My thoughts are twofold:

- he isn’t wrong

- it’s on him for thinking they would be good enough and/or signing a guy like Neal who hindered us from going after guys like Toffoli in FA this past offseason

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Svartsengi

Does anyone know how many concussions Dube has had?. That really sucks he can’t play in the World Championship hopefully Mangiapane has a good experience for Canada and can bring home a gold!.

This is at least number two. he had one his rookie year.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

My thoughts are twofold:

- he isn’t wrong

- it’s on him for thinking they would be good enough and/or signing a guy like Neal who hindered us from going after guys like Toffoli in FA this past offseason

He's not wrong, but did you expect a Simon/Leivo/Nordstrom to come in and put up 10-15 goals a peice? I sure didnt

It's been on Brad the last 6 years and every year he makes the same UFA bottom 6 mistakes and continues to not use the "depth" he claims we have nor the prospects who deserve shots over these UFA plugs.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Royle9

He's not wrong, but did you expect a Simon/Leivo/Nordstrom to come in and put up 10-15 goals a peice? I sure didnt

It's been on Brad the last 6 years and every year he makes the same UFA bottom 6 mistakes and continues to not use the "depth" he claims we have nor the prospects who deserve shots over these UFA plugs.

One could argue that Leivo might have been expected to score a lot more than he actually did. But between not having played a game for over a calendar year to Ward's tirefire utilization to Sutter"s 4th line utilization to
covid and finally a broken thumb... his season was definitely a bad one.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Royle9

He's not wrong, but did you expect a Simon/Leivo/Nordstrom to come in and put up 10-15 goals a peice? I sure didnt

It's been on Brad the last 6 years and every year he makes the same UFA bottom 6 mistakes and continues to not use the "depth" he claims we have nor the prospects who deserve shots over these UFA plugs.

No I didn’t think any of them would move the needle much and was disappointed with their signings. Leivo was the one I thought could maybe be good.

I can’t stop thinking the Hamonic trade and the James Neal signing are two huge blunders that really hurt us.

Not trading Brodie before he walked for free hurt us too but it’s hard to justify trading him at the time I suppose.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Can almost quote the bolded for the last 3-4 years verbatim... I cant listen to his BS anymore.

Yeah, can’t believe this goof continue to keep his job. He is doubling down on his record

[Two Fivenagame]

LoL so BT blames holes in the lineup and the lack of scoring from players brought in.....

Lievo, Nordstrom, Simon. Three strikes right there.

Fire the pro scouts for the love of allah!

[Jore]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1395473143477665795

This organization is undefeated when it comes to making decisions that are horrendous for its players and for its own interests.

Glad Tanev got 20 minutes last game

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

It’s comical how most everyone is piling on the only players who consistently produced any semblance of offence for this team.

So many people arguing over Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Lindholm.

These are the only players, along with Mangiapane, who I would say consistently produced when they were put in the right situations.

Yes, they had stretches of ineffective play but in general they have been good, especially when put together.

When the other 8 forwards barely produce any offence is it any surprise we sucked?

Just cause a team fails doesn’t mean every player on said team can’t be part of a team that succeeds.

Building a team with a handful of good forwards, some youngsters who will have ups and downs and a bunch of 4th liners isn’t a recipe for sucess.

Yes, this is where people are the most dense, but it goes both ways. People rightly pick on the top guys not producing, because they are the big ticket players who consume most of the salary. It's hard to blame a guy like Ritchie, for example, for not producing when he was signed at league bottom dollar and given a specific role. Conversely, a guy like Lucic that really does very little compared to his salary, and makes more mistakes than anyone on the team, gets many times a free pass. There is no consistency because people don't understand the significance of the cap hit and the expectations that should come along with that cap hit.

Another thing that really hurts this team is the lack of high caliber players from within the system. This team has drafted and developed players poorly because they give up so many top end picks that should be filtering into the system and providing some high level skill on those lower lines, where the small salaries are expected to be, and provide support to the top lines and salaries. This is the greatest failing of this hockey team and why it continues to struggle to find depth throughout the lineup. We might se a small spike in the next couple years as we get some of our 1st and 2nd round picks pushing for positions, but they may also disappear if we pursue players like Eichel. It's a double edged sword where most people only care about the leading edge, not recognizing the trailing edge can cut just as deeply.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Brad doubles down on his "Toby Rieder" blame game on the new guys.

He also doesn't turn down the idea of a rebuild but continually pushes "changes are need, and how deep we need to change is a priority"

The new guys that he brought in. Must be blaming Markstrom cause the other guys are bottom min salary dwellers. Most be a moron to expect anything from them

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Jore

https://twitter.com/user/status/1395473143477665795

This organization is undefeated when it comes to making decisions that are horrendous for its players and for its own interests.

Glad Tanev got 20 minutes last game

Not shutting players down is why other players like Kylington or Bennett never get a chance to have and excel in expanded roles.

Yet the narrative always remains "the Flames are such a lucky team in terms of health"

nope.

[ComixZone]

Whelp, not exactly the most scintillating garbage bag day.

Definitely didn't get a sense any rebuild is on the horizon...so I'd expect a status quo off-season. I imagine we'll see another off-season of the team doing all they can to scratch and claw back into the playoffs. I struggle to see how they do that without some dramatic changes, and even then I don't have a lot of hope.

This is a rough time to be a Flames fan.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jore

https://twitter.com/user/status/1395473143477665795

This organization is undefeated when it comes to making decisions that are horrendous for its players and for its own interests.

Glad Tanev got 20 minutes last game

Why didn't they shut down Tanev after the team was eliminated? Just because he could play through those injuries it doesn't mean he should have once the games stopped mattering. Bizarre stuff.

[8sPOT]

It makes me hopeful that I heard Treliving say the word 'change' a couple times. Acknowledging that change will need to happen, now its a matter of what that looks like.

I love this team, but I cannot cheer for this same group to start next season. It would legit make me feel insane.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

No I didn’t think any of them would move the needle much and was disappointed with their signings. Leivo was the one I thought could maybe be good.

I can’t stop thinking the Hamonic trade and the James Neal signing are two huge blunders that really hurt us.

Not trading Brodie before he walked for free hurt us too but it’s hard to justify trading him at the time I suppose.

I thought the new guys would contribute more than they did. Especially Leivo. I still think Nordstrom has a whole bunch of tools.

The two mistakes you note are the ones I note as well. and they contribbute to having to rely on Levo making $850K and Simon at $700K instead of, say, Hathaway at $2M etc.

I don't think Treliving is trying to blame others though. He says "it starts with me". Saying he brought in the wrong guys.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why didn't they shut down Tanev after the team was eliminated? Just because he could play through those injuries it doesn't mean he should have once the games stopped mattering. Bizarre stuff.

gotta instill a winning culture in those irrelevant games or something or other.

[Macman]

No doubt, this is complete BS. Shut these guys down if they're this hurt. Play the AHL guys and guys from the taxisquad.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by New Era

Another thing that really hurts this team is the lack of high caliber players from within the system. This team has drafted and developed players poorly because they give up so many top end picks that should be filtering into the system and providing some high level skill on those lower lines, where the small salaries are expected to be, and provide support to the top lines and salaries. This is the greatest failing of this hockey team and why it continues to struggle to find depth throughout the lineup. We might se a small spike in the next couple years as we get some of our 1st and 2nd round picks pushing for positions, but they may also disappear if we pursue players like Eichel. It's a double edged sword where most people only care about the leading edge, not recognizing the trailing edge can cut just as deeply.

Yup Jordan Kyrou or Alex Formenton would both have provided some much needed depth this season, but those picks were traded for Elliott and Lazar respectively.

Noah Dobson helps fill a hole on the blueline too...but there's a piece from the Hamonic deals.

Giving the young guys a shot is another thing too. Based on his play in camp, and his play leading up to camp, I still think they should have kept Pelletier. No doubt in my mind he could have helped in a top 9 role this season.

Normally I wouldn't have advised to keep him, but with so much doubt on him getting games in junior at the time anyways, and with it being a short season, I don't think it would have stunted his development at all, and he still could have started next year in the AHL if he needed it.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm old enough to remember Macinnis unequivocally saying he wanted to stay in Calgary for the whole of his career. Fleury too (and I also remember him saying money wasn't a big deal after a certain level). The tune changed at the actual negotiation table and they were gone soon after.

I don't think that equates to the present situation. The Flames could not afford to keep MacInnis or many of the other Stanley Cup Flames as at that time, there was a huge discrepancy between Canadian and US salaries..in fact, Calgary almost lost the Flames.

I think Fleury was traded because of his off ice problems.