2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't care what you think about my take and ignoring the pointless IQ argument, I'm not taking that bait.

Bennett giveaways per 60 is terrible and is significantly worse over the past 3 years than his first 2. He takes far too many penalties and that is not improving, using him being immature as an excuse after 5 years in the league is a stupid argument, especially when he took fewer penalties earlier in his career.

I don't know why you are bringing up his linemates, I didn't even mention his terrible production.

And a good handful of games is great, but he's done that before and fell flat on his face after.

Bennett is not a good center, hell he's not even that good of a winger. People need to stop sucking his dick for being a #4 pick and realize he is what he is. A bottom 6 shoot first bang and crash energy player that will have some hot streaks and seems to find another gear in the playoffs. Basically, he's a more physical modern day Eric Nystrom.... no wait, Nystrom could kill penalties and play defense effectively without giving the puck up.

and we'll see come next season

[Knut]

Something happen.... I cant keep refreshing all day.

[GranteedEV]

Yikes. Some takes are so bad they don't even warrant a response. I just read one such take.

[getoverit]

Just one lol

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Yikes. Some takes are so bad they don't even warrant a response. I just read one such take.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't care what you think about my take and ignoring the pointless IQ argument, I'm not taking that bait.

Bennett giveaways per 60 is terrible and is significantly worse over the past 3 years than his first 2. He takes far too many penalties and that is not improving, using him being immature as an excuse after 5 years in the league is a stupid argument, especially when he took fewer penalties earlier in his career.

I don't know why you are bringing up his linemates, I didn't even mention his terrible production.

And a good handful of games is great, but he's done that before and fell flat on his face after.

Bennett is not a good center, hell he's not even that good of a winger. People need to stop sucking his dick for being a #4 pick and realize he is what he is. A bottom 6 shoot first bang and crash energy player that will have some hot streaks and seems to find another gear in the playoffs. Basically, he's a more physical modern day Eric Nystrom.... no wait, Nystrom could kill penalties and play defense effectively without giving the puck up.

I have no idea where you came from but I think you need to go back there and have a drink or two and relax.

If Bennett's giveaways per 60 is really so much worse at centre than at wing please show me.

Also, I have a feeling you are secretly a Derek Ryan burner account.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Man, I hope you get OEL and you enjoy it. I think he's primed for a bounce back, and playing in a competitive market with a prolific Swedish youngster like Pettersson (sorry, Markstrom will be a Flame) will be good for OEL. It also then sets your LHD 1-2 for the next decade with him and Hughes.

If he was $2 - 3 million dollars less, I'd love him for a few years.

Edit - The worst thing that could happene for the Avs signing Markstrom is the Canucks putting a deadline on this beyond the one OEL put. The only thing holding up other signings is this trade.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't care what you think about my take and ignoring the pointless IQ argument, I'm not taking that bait.

Bennett giveaways per 60 is terrible and is significantly worse over the past 3 years than his first 2. He takes far too many penalties and that is not improving, using him being immature as an excuse after 5 years in the league is a stupid argument, especially when he took fewer penalties earlier in his career.

I don't know why you are bringing up his linemates, I didn't even mention his terrible production.

And a good handful of games is great, but he's done that before and fell flat on his face after.

Bennett is not a good center, hell he's not even that good of a winger. People need to stop sucking his dick for being a #4 pick and realize he is what he is. A bottom 6 shoot first bang and crash energy player that will have some hot streaks and seems to find another gear in the playoffs. Basically, he's a more physical modern day Eric Nystrom.... no wait, Nystrom could kill penalties and play defense effectively without giving the puck up.

Over the last 3 years you speak about, among all Flames players who've played at least 40 games, Sam Bennett ranks 15th in giveaways per 60 and 9th among Flames forwards.

Terrible I tell you. Lol.

If Sam Bennett did something to you personally (I'm not sure if the second bolded might be referring to an ex girlfriend or boyfriend) then I'm sorry, but your blind hatred of him is a little over the top.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

I have no idea where you came from but I think you need to go back there and have a drink or two and relax.

If Bennett's giveaways per 60 is really so much worse at centre than at wing please show me.

Also, I have a feeling you are secretly a Derek Ryan burner account.

It's funny, I knew that was a dubious claim about an already dubious stat when I saw it, but of course I actually checked the numbers...

2017-2020, 5v5 giveaways per sixty minutes, Flames forwards:

Player		Giveaways/60	Takeaways/60
Johnny Gaudreau		3.87	2.22
Matthew Tkachuk		2.94	2.07
Derek Ryan		2.58	2.62
Michael Frolik		2.38	2.46
Mikael Backlund		2.36	3.34
Sean Monahan		2.03	2.8
Mark Jankowski		1.97	2.6
Sam Bennett		1.94	2.25
Garnet Hathaway		1.91	1.57
Andrew Mangiapane	1.78	2.43
Elias Lindholm		1.72	1.75

[agulati]

Been fairly quiet on the trade front. Would have expected some movement already. This is the difference between an in-person vs virtual draft, I guess.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by agulati

Been fairly quiet on the trade front. Would have expected some movement already. This is the difference between an in-person vs virtual draft, I guess.

I feel like COVID and financial uncertainty is really going to have more of a negative impact on the amount of trades, contradictory to what people have been expecting.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by agulati

Been fairly quiet on the trade front. Would have expected some movement already. This is the difference between an in-person vs virtual draft, I guess.

I think once the top free agents sign on Friday moves will follow.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't care what you think about my take and ignoring the pointless IQ argument, I'm not taking that bait.

Bennett giveaways per 60 is terrible and is significantly worse over the past 3 years than his first 2. He takes far too many penalties and that is not improving, using him being immature as an excuse after 5 years in the league is a stupid argument, especially when he took fewer penalties earlier in his career.

I don't know why you are bringing up his linemates, I didn't even mention his terrible production.

And a good handful of games is great, but he's done that before and fell flat on his face after.

Bennett is not a good center, hell he's not even that good of a winger. People need to stop sucking his dick for being a #4 pick and realize he is what he is. A bottom 6 shoot first bang and crash energy player that will have some hot streaks and seems to find another gear in the playoffs. Basically, he's a more physical modern day Eric Nystrom.... no wait, Nystrom could kill penalties and play defense effectively without giving the puck up.

I'm just going to put this here and move on because I don't want to get into it, but I'd really wish you'd stop with stuff like this and the sexually degrading language you use referring to some women. I honestly expect better from you of all people, so it just makes me sad.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I think once the top free agents sign on Friday moves will follow.

That makes sense, especially on the goaltending front. Also, I think the last few years have seen more moves on the second day of the draft.

[bdubbs]

I wish people would just stop quoting the damn guy. Adding him to my ignore list for being a hostile poster is meaningless if everyone keeps quoting him.

[TheIronMaiden]

Has there been an legit rumors surrounding the Flames today or no?

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

I have no idea where you came from but I think you need to go back there and have a drink or two and relax.

If Bennett's giveaways per 60 is really so much worse at centre than at wing please show me.

Also, I have a feeling you are secretly a Derek Ryan burner account.

Suggesting a drink to people because you don't agree with them is quite inconsiderate as you have no idea if it is against my religion, or if I'm an addict, or underage. I also don't need to relax, because I'm not worked up, I just like to be clear and concise about what I am saying because people misconstrue everything.

I don't know of a source that shows that information, but his giveaways were 3.13 per 60 and penalties taken were 1.96 per 60 in the playoffs at center, over the previous 3 regular seasons, it was 1.98 for giveaways and 1.66 for penalties taken, where he was a predominantly a winger.

I know the C sample size is small, so those numbers are far from definitive. But it does back up what I saw in the playoffs.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Has there been an legit rumors surrounding the Flames today or no?

Mostly just the same sort of stuff that has been percolating over the past few weeks. Nothing new or exciting that I've seen.

I have a hard time imaging how this draft will play out from a trade perspective, it's not like GMs are going to be on the floor going table to table, right? I guess a lot of it is already done by phone anyway, but I think it takes away a little bit of that "pressure in the moment."

We'll see!

[daveinspruce]

havent seen one yet.
other than Hall we are getting on Friday

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'm just going to put this here and move on because I don't want to get into it, but I'd really wish you'd stop with stuff like this and the sexually degrading language you use referring to some women. I honestly expect better from you of all people, so it just makes me sad.

What woman did I refer to? You don't need to be a specific sex to give a blow job. It literally has nothing to do with anyone's sex (except Bennett's I suppose). That phrase is a common one for people worshiping something because the act of getting on your knees for fellatio is similar to that of praying.

[activeStick]

I'm mostly looking forward to Benning speaking on the wrong Zoom and spilling out trade details and discussions on the main draft bridge.