2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by bax

Not saying 10 games is the be all end all.

It's been clear since day 1 that Bennett should be a centerman. Coach's have continually pushed him to the wing and his game isn't suited for it.

He much more valuable back tracking in the middle of the ice and driving the play from between the dots. He is more involved at both ends of the ice. It finally sounds like they are going to give him an extended place in the line up there this season with some decent wingers. Let's not throw that out the window for Galchenyuk- the guy bounces around from doghouse to doghouse.

Bennett isn't ever going to be a 1st line center, but I think he will see how effective he can be as a 2b/3a this season. He has the ability to be a Kadri lite.

Bull. Bennett has always taken more penalties and made more stupid mistakes at center and has never been great at using his linemates.

Bennett is a shoot first power forward, claiming that is suited for the wing, is a massive load of crap because it is better suited for the wing.. Also, Bennett's best stretch in his career was on LW with Backlund.

He's more valuable not taking as many stupid penalties and not giving the puck away.

Bennett is never going to be Kadri light because Kadri can use his linemates properly and is significantly better defensively.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Can you find a chart based on usage.

I am pretty sure that Barrie's minutes are alot easier than Brodie's.

Can it also include quality of linemates, because Brodie's linemates have been significantly better. Brodie is better defensively, but the gap isn't nearly as bad as some are making it out to be with comparisons to Kylington and Gustafsson

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Barrie to Vancouver makes so much sense if they can't get OEL. I imagine he is even willing to take a hometown discount.

STOP IT!

Stop putting this evil on us!

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dammage79

We do need a better funneler of pucks to the net. Although Raz hasn't really had a chance yet. But with Hammer and Brodie gone there should be some space on both power play untis for a barrie and raz.

Hammer never played on the PP. Ras would be fighting with Gio and Hanifin for PP time. Although, I'd like to shift Gio away from the PP as it would drastically lower his TOI and help keep him fresher. I am also not against 2 defenseman on the 2nd PP unit.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Bull. Bennett has always taken more penalties and made more stupid mistakes at center and has never been great at using his linemates.

Bennett is a shoot first power forward, claiming that is suited for the wing, is a massive load of crap because it is better suited for the wing.. Also, Bennett's best stretch in his career was on LW with Backlund.

He's more valuable not taking as many stupid penalties and not giving the puck away.

Bennett is never going to be Kadri light because Kadri can use his linemates properly and is significantly better defensively.

Your take on Bennett is crap. You seem to be arguing he can't think the game, which I think is just part of the crutch some fans use when they throw around the term "low hockey IQ", which I think is done as an easy way out to explain things that require more than a simple judgement, and instead require a multi-layered assessment.

You think Bennett can't think the game? Is that why he's been able to adapt to the wing, to centre, back to the wing, back to centre and wherever the team needs him to play? Or that he's adapted the game to playing a bottom-six role while driving play for the team in a way that screams "holy crap, why do we pay and play guys like Brouwer, Neal, Jankowski, Chiasson and a 700 year old Jagr"?

His poor discipline is because he "can't think the game", and not because he was just an immature/young player who is playing at the highest level of his sport while being incredibly frustrated due to his circumstances?

Bennett is shoot first? You say this like it's a bad thing. Pucks to the net and driving the net is a pretty good way to find success. Bennett can't use his line mates? What line mates are you referring to? James Neal? Troy Brouwer? Alex Chiasson? Mark Jankowski? A 700 year old Jaromir Jagr? Ha! "Use his line mates"...when your line mates are actually incompetent leeches/on their way out of the league and they're so bad that Johnny Gaudreau can't even make them effective - how is Sam Bennett supposed to pull that off? Or are you referring to Milan Lucic and Dillon Dube who combined with Bennett provided us our best line during the playoffs?

[sureLoss]

More insider trading:
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider...-storm~2050171

it is unlikely TB moves Stamkos
with full NMC Stamkos in control

Johnson's agent gave 5-6 teams he is wiling to go to
don't think trade is imminent

Vegas offering a 2nd for a team to retain 50% of Fleury's salary in a 3 way trade (Carolina specifically mentioned)
Carolina wants a 1st and 2nd.

Vegas exploring trading Stastny, Marchessault, and Nate Schmidt as alternatives to shedding cap

Leafs and Habs have interest in Simmonds at a cheaper rate

[agulati]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

More insider trading:
Leafs and Habs have interest in Simmonds at a cheaper rate

This actually makes a whole lot of sense.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

More insider trading:
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider...-storm~2050171

it is unlikely TB moves Stamkos
with full NMC Stamkos in control

Johnson's agent gave 5-6 teams he is wiling to go to
don't think trade is imminent

Vegas offering a 2nd for a team to retain 50% of Fleury's salary in a 3 way trade (Carolina specifically mentioned)
Carolina wants a 1st and 2nd.

Vegas exploring trading Stastny, Marchessault, and Nate Schmidt as alternatives to shedding cap

Leafs and Habs have interest in Simmonds at a cheaper rate

Hmm, so Vegas sends a 1st to Carolina to retain 50% while the acquiring team send a 2nd to Carolina for MAF at 50%. Carolina earns a 1st and a 2nd for eating $3.5M on their cap for two years...that's pretty smart. It all undoubtedly depends on if Vegas is willing to up their sweetener from a 2nd to a 1st.

[kyuss275]

What’s stastney contract like? I always liked him

[Knut]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What’s stastney contract like? I always liked him

6.5 x 1 year

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What’s stastney contract like? I always liked him

6.5 mill for one more season. Turns 35 in December.
He's still a decent player and has only 1 year left.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Hmm, so Vegas sends a 1st to Carolina to retain 50% while the acquiring team send a 2nd to Carolina for MAF at 50%. Carolina earns a 1st and a 2nd for eating $3.5M on their cap for two years...that's pretty smart. It all undoubtedly depends on if Vegas is willing to up their sweetener from a 2nd to a 1st.

That is interesting if it plays out that way, but the way the TSN guys are talking about it Carolina is only getting a 2nd in Vegas' proposal for eating the salary. That is it, nothing else.

Both sides are far apart it seems.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

That is interesting if it plays out that way, but the way the TSN guys are talking about it Carolina is only getting a 2nd in Vegas' proposal for eating the salary. That is it, nothing else.

Yeah I don't see that working without Carolina getting Vegas' 1st at a minimum.

Carolina ate Marleau's cap for a 1st ($6.25M), that's the market rate for dead cap space of that size (and it's $7M total over two years in this case, $3.5M per). I can't imagine anyone will be doing Vegas a favour here.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Bull. Bennett has always taken more penalties and made more stupid mistakes at center and has never been great at using his linemates.

Bennett is a shoot first power forward, claiming that is suited for the wing, is a massive load of crap because it is better suited for the wing.. Also, Bennett's best stretch in his career was on LW with Backlund.

He's more valuable not taking as many stupid penalties and not giving the puck away.

Bennett is never going to be Kadri light because Kadri can use his linemates properly and is significantly better defensively.

This has already been disputed in this thread so I'm not going to pile on, but what do you mean not great as using his linemates?

When Bennett was a 20-21 year old learning how to play center in the NHL he was forced to carry around bad players that are a drag on their teammates.

What evidence is there that Bennett takes more penalties when playing center? I think penalties are always going to be apart of Bennett's game- for better or for worse. He plays on the edge and is also prone to some bad penalties. It doesn't matter what position he is playing.

Bennet himself has said that he able to be more of a factor at center because he is most comfortable playing there. He has the awareness, skating ability, and battle level to be a good 2 way center.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah I don't see that working without Carolina getting Vegas' 1st at a minimum.

Carolina ate Marleau's cap for a 1st ($6.25M), that's the market rate for dead cap space of that size (and it's $7M total over two years in this case, $3.5M per). I can't imagine anyone will be doing Vegas a favour here.

Beyond the cap hit is the actual $.

Marleau buyout cost the Canes $4.667 mil in actual money

Eating Fleury will cost the Canes $7 mil in actual money.

So a 1st plus a second is more in line.

[Blaster86]

Cause it's fun: Per OEL's agent, the reason he selected Vancouver as one of the two teams is based on how the team played in the bubble when he had time to just sit and watch them play. Also, the history of Swedish players in Vancouver. There has been speculation that being a part of the Sedin's last game in Vancouver and seeing that reaction despite the team not being successful during their last few seasons had fairly profound effect on him.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Barrie to Vancouver makes so much sense if they can't get OEL. I imagine he is even willing to take a hometown discount.

Why not both?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Cause it's fun: Per OEL's agent, the reason he selected Vancouver as one of the two teams is based on how the team played in the bubble when he had time to just sit and watch them play. Also, the history of Swedish players in Vancouver. There has been speculation that being a part of the Sedin's last game in Vancouver and seeing that reaction despite the team not being successful during their last few seasons had fairly profound effect on him.

Man, I hope you get OEL and you enjoy it. I think he's primed for a bounce back, and playing in a competitive market with a prolific Swedish youngster like Pettersson (sorry, Markstrom will be a Flame) will be good for OEL. It also then sets your LHD 1-2 for the next decade with him and Hughes.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Your take on Bennett is crap. You seem to be arguing he can't think the game, which I think is just part of the crutch some fans use when they throw around the term "low hockey IQ", which I think is done as an easy way out to explain things that require more than a simple judgement, and instead require a multi-layered assessment.

You think Bennett can't think the game? Is that why he's been able to adapt to the wing, to centre, back to the wing, back to centre and wherever the team needs him to play? Or that he's adapted the game to playing a bottom-six role while driving play for the team in a way that screams "holy crap, why do we pay and play guys like Brouwer, Neal, Jankowski, Chiasson and a 700 year old Jagr"?

His poor discipline is because he "can't think the game", and not because he was just an immature/young player who is playing at the highest level of his sport while being incredibly frustrated due to his circumstances?

Bennett is shoot first? You say this like it's a bad thing. Pucks to the net and driving the net is a pretty good way to find success. Bennett can't use his line mates? What line mates are you referring to? James Neal? Troy Brouwer? Alex Chiasson? Mark Jankowski? A 700 year old Jaromir Jagr? Ha! "Use his line mates"...when your line mates are actually incompetent leeches/on their way out of the league and they're so bad that Johnny Gaudreau can't even make them effective - how is Sam Bennett supposed to pull that off? Or are you referring to Milan Lucic and Dillon Dube who combined with Bennett provided us our best line during the playoffs?

I don't care what you think about my take and ignoring the pointless IQ argument, I'm not taking that bait.

Bennett giveaways per 60 is terrible and is significantly worse over the past 3 years than his first 2. He takes far too many penalties and that is not improving, using him being immature as an excuse after 5 years in the league is a stupid argument, especially when he took fewer penalties earlier in his career.

I don't know why you are bringing up his linemates, I didn't even mention his terrible production.

And a good handful of games is great, but he's done that before and fell flat on his face after.

Bennett is not a good center, hell he's not even that good of a winger. People need to stop sucking his dick for being a #4 pick and realize he is what he is. A bottom 6 shoot first bang and crash energy player that will have some hot streaks and seems to find another gear in the playoffs. Basically, he's a more physical modern day Eric Nystrom.... no wait, Nystrom could kill penalties and play defense effectively without giving the puck up.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by bax

This has already been disputed in this thread so I'm not going to pile on, but what do you mean not great as using his linemates?

When Bennett was a 20-21 year old learning how to play center in the NHL he was forced to carry around bad players that are a drag on their teammates.

What evidence is there that Bennett takes more penalties when playing center? I think penalties are always going to be apart of Bennett's game- for better or for worse. He plays on the edge and is also prone to some bad penalties. It doesn't matter what position he is playing.

Bennet himself has said that he able to be more of a factor at center because he is most comfortable playing there. He has the awareness, skating ability, and battle level to be a good 2 way center.

People talk about his "dragging and carrying" his linemates, yet one of the names they mention in Jankowski, out-produced him! It's a garbage excuse by people making excuse for a mediocre player