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dino7c · 03-07-2019, 10:36 PM

I'm not some blind homer...I criticized the Flames most of last season and a lot over the lean years.

Its just mind bottling when people who thought they were a bubble team are freaking out over the first real slump of the entire season.

Anyway I am out, feel free to post whatever makes you feel better...I will do the same

midniteowl · 03-07-2019, 10:36 PM

There are too much doom and gloom in this thread, hope this will cheer everyone up.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1103864166589190144

CGY12 · 03-07-2019, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

kinda my point

taking out my frustrations of many posters on him is probably not fair...there are so many people that just come here to bitch though

at least be constructive

Be constructive?

You do know this is a fan forum and not the inside of the flames dressing room.

TBone290 · 03-07-2019, 10:40 PM

Can we have a rubric of what constitutes a constructive post?
Appreciate it.

Split98 · 03-07-2019, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Not really true.

Here are Some more “since the all star break” numbers for the Flames at 5v5:

Corsi For %: 55.6% (1st)
Shots For %: 54.7 (1st)
Scoring Chance For %: 55.3 (1st)
High Danger %: 53.6 (8th)
Shooting Percentage: 7.4% (20th)
Save Percentage: .910 (24th)

I agree the Team is struggling to get to the dirty areas a little bit right now but overall they are still driving play and carrying possession and zone time in their games.

Last year they struggled with scoring all season. This year they’ve shown they can get to those areas and produce and score. I say we let them work out of this slump before writing them off.

And if the top 6 can get going again then look out because the bottom 6 has been fantastic.

No one should be writing them off, but 8th in dangerous chances is shocking.

GranteedEV · 03-07-2019, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Not really true.

Here are Some more “since the all star break” numbers for the Flames at 5v5:

Corsi For %: 55.6% (1st)
Shots For %: 54.7 (1st)
Scoring Chance For %: 55.3 (1st)
High Danger %: 53.6 (8th)
Shooting Percentage: 7.4% (20th)
Save Percentage: .910 (24th)

I agree the Team is struggling a bit to get to the dirty areas a little bit right now but overall they are still driving play and carrying play in their games.

Last year they struggled with it all season. This year they’ve shown they can get to those areas and produce and score. I say we let them work out of this 4 game slump before writing them off.

My biggest concern is that Elias Lindholm has had the midas touch all year... ridiculous on-ice SH%, tipped every point shot in, shorthanded points, etc.... but the larger sample of his career has been a player closer to Sam Bennett on the offensive luck categories... known for hitting posts and having a muffin shot.

If Lindholm is a pumpkin again it's a regression that nice analytics won't solve - he had nice analytics in CAR too.

longsuffering · 03-07-2019, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Yamer

Writing them off in a 4 game slump while they are still at the top of the Western Conference isn't genius level commentary.

They could be out of top spot by Saturday.

Not saying Flames fans need to panic but let's not pretend all is well.

Monahammer · 03-07-2019, 10:42 PM

Stop starting mike smith, and someone go find James Neal and strap him to the bench!

oldschoolcalgary · 03-07-2019, 10:44 PM

its disappointing and a bit concerning imo... i think that's a pretty reasonable take considering a 4 game losing streak and that a 7 point cushion over SJS has evaporated...

can't speak for the other games, but versus Vegas, the scoring chances and the high danger chances were in the favor of Calgary...i would be surprised if its the same thing with tonight's game...

of bigger concern is inability to finish...shooting % is below league average currently, and while the law of averages will correct things for the most part (re: Neal) its concerning they drive such a high % of the offense...its nice to have the czarniks of the world chip in, you can't rely on them to do the heavy lifting.

not sure is monahan is hurt or not, but IF he is, they need to rest him for a few games here or he'll never get healthy

CGY12 · 03-07-2019, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I'm not some blind homer...I criticized the Flames most of last season and a lot over the lean years.

Its just mind bottling when people who thought they were a bubble team are freaking out over the first real slump of the entire season.

Anyway I am out, feel free to post whatever makes you feel better...I will do the same

They are playing some of the most uninspiring, slow, mediocre hockey we've seen all year. Even during some of those wins. Post all-star break when things get tough.

If you've been a Flames fan for a long time, not saying you haven't, you would know that this type of play in crunch time is a theme. Not just this group but overall in the franchises history for the better part of 25 years.

I hope they prove me wrong and they suddenly figure out how to win against good teams in tight checking playoff style hockey. Nothing would make me happier than to relive 1 of the best times of my life (2004).

Dion · 03-07-2019, 10:45 PM

The Flames have a stretch of where 7 of their next 10 games is at home. A time where they get the chance to practice and work out their kinks. I have no doubt they'll rediscover the missing offence.

PaperBagger'14 · 03-07-2019, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I’ve taken multiple deep breaths into this paper bag. And it’s not helping.

Dion · 03-07-2019, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CGY12

They are playing some of the most uninspiring, slow, mediocre hockey we've seen all year. Even during some of those wins. Post all-star break when things get tough.

If you've been a Flames fan for a long time, not saying you haven't, you would know that this type of play in crunch time is a theme. Not just this group but overall in the franchises history for the better part of 25 years.

I hope they prove me wrong and they suddenly figure out how to play against good teams in tight checking playoff style hockey. Nothing would make me happier than to relive 1 of the best times of my life (2004).

History is not always an indicator of the future. You also have to factor in that this team has a playoff spot locked up and because of that have lost some of the urgency we saw in their game back in November. This is not the norm.

Split98 · 03-07-2019, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

The Flames have a stretch of where 7 of their next 10 games is at home. A time where they get the chance to practice and work out their kinks. I have no doubt they'll rediscover the missing offence.

This is the hope, right here

I wonder if this maligned play really is exhaustion. TBH, that travel schedule would have been murder.

KootenayFlamesFan · 03-07-2019, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Stop starting mike smith, and someone go find James Neal and strap him to the bench!

a) Rittich isn't going to start every game.
b) Smith wasn't the reason the team lost tonight, at all.

Dion · 03-07-2019, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Split98

This is the hope, right here

I wonder if this maligned play really is exhaustion. TBH, that travel schedule would have been murder.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Exhaustion probably is a factor and we've heard from players through various interviews. Rest, sleeping in their own beds and practice times are going to be great benefit down the stretch.

minnow · 03-07-2019, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

kinda my point

taking out my frustrations of many posters on him is probably not fair...there are so many people that just come here to bitch though

at least be constructive

Maybe, sorta, kinda.

You don't expect some people to have a negative reaction to the losses. People are people. Some will have three different reactions to the same event, all on the same day. Don't be rattled, expect it. Then it won't bother you so much.

Anyway, it's just a slump. What did Toronto just have, maybe a 4 game slump? They all do it.

GeoRock · 03-07-2019, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Yobbo

It's sad how a sports team can cause such disrupt in your life. All week, my wife has said I'm not my happy normal self, and seem grumpy. Thanks Flames for ruining both our weeks.

Seriously man. You get so connected to a team that it actually impacts your daily life. I've skipped the gym after work so many times this year so I could watch the games live. This past week I've just feel extra crappy because we lost, I'm frustrated with the team and mad that I chose tv and beer over a workout. It must have been so much easier on fan addiction when there were only 48 games in a season!

PaperBagger'14 · 03-07-2019, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Mental fragility has crept into the fans which influences the team. The team needs its fans right now.

People think it’s bull####. But fans are more important than they give credit for. Why does Mike Smith play nervous as f at home? Hmmmmmmmmm “red pads”......!!!!

Fans. Fans matter and right now the fans need to back the team. Fully. And believe in them. It matters. Why did the 04 Flames or Vegas last year or any team do well? Good teams most importantly but also the belief structure which fans are a part of.

Your positivity is great, honestly it's a great quality to have. Let's not compare this team to 04 or vegas. Everyone had both of those teams not making the playoffs at the start of the year. No one believed the 04 flames were a threat when they made the playoffs.

That team battled every single game in the playoffs, and that lay it all on the line attitude, combined with success, won fan support. The same goes for Vegas, expected to pick top 3, but make the SCF.

We are high in the standings right now, but I cant look at this team seriously and say we are contenders.

SuperMatt18 · 03-07-2019, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Split98

No one should be writing them off, but 8th in dangerous chances is shocking.

Yeah as I dig deeper into it some of that is the bottom 6 is carrying that a little bit overall in the last 18. Eye test shows the top line is really struggling at generating good chances and stats prove that.

Gaudreau/Monahan when on the ice together are only 48.3% of High Danger chances in that time frame but 53% of Corsi - so clearly struggling to get to tough areas.

Backlund/Tkachuk seem to just be having poor luck. 56% Corsi, 53% High Danger but an on ice shooting Percentage of 5.62% which is abysmal.

And the team is just dominating chances when Gaudreau and Monahan aren’t on the ice - 56.9% High Danger chances when neither Gaudreau or Monahan are on the ice. So imagine if those two can get going again with the other lines going too.

Another issue is Poor special teams over the last stretch and I think that can make the eye test look worse than they are playing at 5v5 too.

PP: 15.8% (25th)
PK: 80.4% (18th)
Shooting Percentage (5v5): 7.4% (20th)
Save Percentage (5v5): .910 (24th)

When you have all 4 of those things struggling at the same time it can make it seem like the team is playing a lot worse than they are in reality. Think you see the frustration growing with the players too because it’s tough to turn around the bounces.

Gaudreau and Monahan need to snap out of it though, and special teams need to get back in track. Positive thing is that all those things have been successful at different times this year.